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this is the issue with what you are saying and it is Truth.
1. the false narrative of saying Active homosexual who identifies as Christian. This is a false statement and deceptive at its origin. If one is a Christian they are to identify with Christ. Not a sexual preference but the very word of God.
2. inactive homosexual who rejects it and chose to be celibate? Get with the opposite sex anyway and prays it all works out? Who also identifies as Christian.
This is a humanistic approach to sin( while trying to stay a Christian) and one who has not been set free from the sin of sexual idolatry. AS if God would be so impressed with my ability to be celibate yet my heart is still bound with perversion. That is not freedom. And Christ sets the person free. Much of what has been said in all the things in 1-4 are worldly positions mixed with Christian language. Using human rationale to justify sin and prop a false narrative of homosexuality is a kind of race of people.
here is the heart of the deception:
"Then decide what makes best sense to you."
Christians are not to decide what makes the best sense to them but obey the very word of God. And submit to God resist the devil and he will flee from you. WE are to take the full counsel of God's word and apply it to our lives. The carnal mind will always gravitate to the things that bring pleasure to the flesh. Sexual sin is the strongest one of them all.
A homosexual is no different than a person addicted to pornography. Many people who had their first homosexual experience did so after being bound to pornography. They never even thought of being gay but the sexual experience brought pleasure and a stronghold in their life.
When a person comes to Jesus He doesn't refuse them. Yet that person must leave and cleave to Jesus and the word of God.
That cannot happen if they hold to the false narrative above.
A Drug addict, homosexual, fornicator, drunkard, etc. will not remain free after and in counter with Jesus if they do not do the following:
1. Separate yourself from " friends" who are not chritians and still engage in the addiction listed above or any for that matter.
2. has no prayer life and is not empowered with the Holy Spirit and the word of God
3. doesn't receive godly counsel and applies it to their life.
4. has the Understanding being tempted is part of the battle while we all are in the flesh Jesus was tempted in all points as a man yet HE did not sin. Temptation is a suggestion from the devil and the flesh from past experiences you are known to give into. There is victory over this in Christ. Not appeasement. No compromise, not word games and phrases. The Truth. The Way, and The life all in Christ.
LEV 20:13, If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination, they shall surely be put to death. ROM 1:26-27, God gave them up to vile affections, for even their women did change natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward the other, men with men working that which is unseemly. I COR 6:9, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, etc, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 2 PET 2:6, And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly. GEN 13:13 The men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly. JUDE 7, Even as Sodom and Gomorrha giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh are set for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal flame. Homosexuality is not the unforgivable sin and can be repented for and turned away from, but realize that God considers it to be an abomination worthy of death and a perversion of that which is natural. I don't expect there to be any gay pride parades in heaven but rather great shame and embarrassment for some. I realize this is an unpopular teaching in today's world, yet it is the word of God and should be taught to our sons and daughters. God loves the children He created and has opened the door to salvation through Jesus Christ to whosoever will come to Him with a repentant heart in truth and love. May God grant us all the power to overcome our weaknesses.
Well, if you struggle with same sex attraction, that can be the case even for Christians. However, if you claim to be a "Christian" and live a gay lifestyle, then you are deceived...
only proves he is a private morally speaking. no speakers on computerBut...but....but....
SOME people identify as a woman AND a 4 Star Admiral.
God hates this, God created a MAN and after that, from the part ot that man created a woman. All people, who announce that they are christians and also announce that "if you are a g*y, that is not a problem, God loves you", they are liars! They are liars!!! Because our God says that NO HOMOSEXUAL WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD!!! And how they say that God doesn't hate this! Proverbs 17:15"He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, Even they both are abomination to the LORD.
Proverbs 17:15 KJV
In addition, about the people who are doing that immoral thing and say that they are christians. The God says "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Matthew 7:21 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.7.21.KJV.
There is no matter how many times per day a homosexual can say that he is a christian, HE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN!
Proverbs 17:15 KJV
In addition, about the people who are doing that immoral thing and say that they are christians. The God says "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Matthew 7:21 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.7.21.KJV.
There is no matter how many times per day a homosexual can say that he is a christian, HE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN!
Impossible. I know that the culture is pressing in, but we must go back to what the Father, Creator, GOD has said.
Please read Rom.1:18-32.
I know it may sound simplistic, but it is, Fear GOD and Keep His Commandments. This is the whole duty of man. Eccl. 12:13-14
Please read Rom.1:18-32.
I know it may sound simplistic, but it is, Fear GOD and Keep His Commandments. This is the whole duty of man. Eccl. 12:13-14
If we are to go by the Bible, and take every word literally, every instruction and apply it to today, I think there would be some problems. My parents did not stone me to death when I was disobedient - and I was very disobedient in my teen years! Personally, i do not care if someone is gay or not. I have friends who are gay, and it's never been a problem. They don't hit on me or make inappropriate advances. Some people say being gay is not a choice, but I argue there is choice involved. You can choose to act upon your attraction or not. My best friend at work is gay, and he chooses NOT to act upon his attraction because he is extremely shy.
We often talk in church circles as if being straight is a license to sin. It is not. I had two girlfriends that broke up with me because I wouldn't do the nasty with them. Let's not assume all gay people are jumping into bed with everyone that comes along.
My concern is with the popular trend of people changing their gender. This is scary stuff. I was watching a talk show the other day where the host was interviewing someone with a woman's name, with long hair and dressed very feminine, but as soon as the person started talking it was obvious this was a man speaking. Seeing the person's face up close also verified this was a man. The thought crossed my mind "what if I had found this person attractive? Would that make me gay?" I believe that's what their goal is: confusion. What happens when a man goes out on a date with someone he believes to be a woman, then finds out the person was born male? Gender dysphoria used to be looked at as a mental disorder. Now people are encouraged to mutilate their bodies. As if it's not enough that we're born in a sin-stained body. This is why I look forward to the life after this one - we will no longer be imprisoned in these sinful bodies, we will be free, for in Christ, there is no male or female, we are all one.
We often talk in church circles as if being straight is a license to sin. It is not. I had two girlfriends that broke up with me because I wouldn't do the nasty with them. Let's not assume all gay people are jumping into bed with everyone that comes along.
My concern is with the popular trend of people changing their gender. This is scary stuff. I was watching a talk show the other day where the host was interviewing someone with a woman's name, with long hair and dressed very feminine, but as soon as the person started talking it was obvious this was a man speaking. Seeing the person's face up close also verified this was a man. The thought crossed my mind "what if I had found this person attractive? Would that make me gay?" I believe that's what their goal is: confusion. What happens when a man goes out on a date with someone he believes to be a woman, then finds out the person was born male? Gender dysphoria used to be looked at as a mental disorder. Now people are encouraged to mutilate their bodies. As if it's not enough that we're born in a sin-stained body. This is why I look forward to the life after this one - we will no longer be imprisoned in these sinful bodies, we will be free, for in Christ, there is no male or female, we are all one.
Your argument is not Biblical it is opinionated. Nor do all Christians take the bible literally, but contextually and look at what the text says to see if it is Figurative, literal, or symbolic.
The only word or opinion that matters is What God says about the topic. God doesn't change with culture. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. And God said, and it is literally FOUND IN Leviticus NASB, "You shall not sleep with a male as one sleeps with a female; it is an abomination. "..
For your information, there has not been a stoning of people for being homosexual for some time unless you are speaking of Islam rADICAL WHO THROW THEM OFF 4 STORY BUILDINGS.
The reason why we don't stone them anymore nor would I want them to be stones , I want them to get Saved! and repent of their sins and turn from homosexuality as I would the adulterer, the thief, drunkard, and addicted.
You say that let's not assume all gay people are jumping into bed with everyone that comes along.
The fact is they are not wanting to practice safe sex. They have many partners and have no self-control. Just as those who are addicted to porn, many who are gay are the root cause of homosexuality and many other sexual sins. Why?
Because they have been overcome by "sexual Idolatry. They are bound by this sin because they love it more than what God said, DO NOT DO.
They will not be stoned by God, but if they do not repent and turn from this sin as all who do not, Hell is the final place for them and all who do not come to the Lord Jesus Christ and turn from their sins. That's what God said, NOT me.
If you came away with my response to this threat with that?
You are incapable of understanding biblical context.
It never seems to amaze me how one can read what was said and ignore it to make a comment that was never said or suggested by the post.
What you and your girlfriend do is between you and her.
But the Bible teaches if you are not married, and having sex, it is fornication.
And if you are living with her and not married, you are disrespecting her.
The context of my my post in 1555 :
Is that Man shall not lie with a man as he does women.
YET to lay with women, the understanding they are to BE Married was already established as a normative in scripture.
God did not need to say four times that when a man and women have sex, they are to be married and not of the same sex.
When your heart is right, you do not look into the word of God to see what Sin I can do; we are to look at the word of God to see what not to do and move close to God in a relationship with HIS Son.
YOU CAN NOT BE GAY AND BE A CHRISTIAN!!! that lifestyle is totally against what God teaches. there is not a single verse in the Bible that teaches gay activity is alright with God. when a gay person becomes born again, (completely & totally surrendered to God), the chances of him immediately forsaking that sin is nil. but if he truly tries & improves with every temptation & with the help of the Holy Spirit & Jesus, & his will to forsake the sin forever, he will remove that activity & understand that it is wrong & a temptation of the devil.
You can't use the marriage argument against gay people, because they are allowed now to be married. If the catch all is "you must be married", then many gay couple fit that qualifier today. If it is all about being married, then a gay couple can sleep with each other all they want.
You assume I am looking into the Bible to see what sins I can get away with. Not at all. I'm not gay, so I have nothing to gain from this argument. I'm just tired of seeing Christians beat up on gay people. We hold straight people up as the the norm, as the way people should be. Oh, except when they are single. Then they are all condemned to hell, because we have all sinned, we have all slipped at times, so throw all the single people into the fiery pit - unless, somehow, miraculously, they have resisted the raging hormones within them. We give married couples an "out" - "oh, it's okay, you're married". But we somehow expect super human strength from singles to resist temptation.
Let's show a little more compassions towards those who are struggling. They need our encouragement, not our condemnation.