5 Points of Arminianism

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Mem said:
I was fortunate not to be tethered to either of these men so that I can answer apart from the prescribed diagnosis of either doctor. God created mankind out of love and if any of them are destroyed, I confident in presuming that such judgment wouldn't stray from the character so 'languishing' would not be any assumption that I could derive from the sentence. It's men that appears to take pleasure in mankind's languishing. It is my understanding that judgment will be swift and sure, and the extended "languishing' has been derived from man's own notions of God's character. That idea has been deeply ingrained into tradition, tho, so it won't be any quick operation to extract it. And since the rest of your reply is patterned after your own notions speckled with only allusions to scripture, I refrain from addressing any further commentary from it.
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Annihilationism?
I reckon we’re going to differ on quite a few things if that’s your view.
 
NOV25 said:
Because I tell you the truth you do not believe me.
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It is not the TRUTH.

That anyone could believe this baffles me beyond measure, it is the complete antithesis of scripture and the character of Jesus, who is God revealed.

I wonder did Jesus love those He did not choose for salvation?
 
HeIsHere said:
It is not the TRUTH.

That anyone could believe this baffles me beyond measure, it is the complete antithesis of scripture and the character of Jesus, who is God revealed.

I wonder did Jesus love those He did not choose for salvation?
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I wonder, does the Father love the Son more than he loves you?
 
Cameron143 said:
So if God chooses to reveal Himself through His justice, will this bring Him glory?
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If God grants mercy that brings Him glory, but would He be righteous in granting everyone mercy? I figure it must not be since He doesn't do that. What makes Him righteous in granting you mercy and withholding it from another?
 
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Mem said:
If God grants mercy that brings Him glory, but would He be righteous in granting everyone mercy? I figure it must not be since He doesn't do that. What makes Him righteous in granting you mercy and withholding it from another?
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What I'm trying to say is that God gets glory by revealing Himself. He gets just as much glory from revealing His love, grace, and mercy as He does from revealing Himself as sovereign, just, and holy.
By revealing the former, generally the effect on humans is considered favorable. In revealing Himself in the latter, the effects on humans can be considered detrimental.
But God is glorified either way because more of Him is revealed.
 
Mem said:
What makes Him righteous in granting you mercy and withholding it from another?
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God's mercy is for the repentant. Those who deliberately harden their hearts -- like Pharaoh when dealing with the Israelites -- bring judgment upon themselves. God is both merciful and just, He is both loving and wrathful.

He is also very longsuffering, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. It all depends on whether sinners humble themselves and repent. Study the book of Jonah.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
God's mercy is for the repentant. Those who deliberately harden their hearts -- like Pharaoh when dealing with the Israelites -- bring judgment upon themselves. God is both merciful and just, He is both loving and wrathful.

He is also very longsuffering, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. It all depends on whether sinners humble themselves and repent. Study the book of Jonah.
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My earlier reference to God's judgment as swift and sure was speaking toward His rendering (the sure) and execution (the swift) of it once He has decided it to be the only course of action left if there be no repentance which, although all accommodation for be granted, is not forthcoming.
 
Cameron143 said:
What I'm trying to say is that God gets glory by revealing Himself. He gets just as much glory from revealing His love, grace, and mercy as He does from revealing Himself as sovereign, just, and holy.
By revealing the former, generally the effect on humans is considered favorable. In revealing Himself in the latter, the effects on humans can be considered detrimental.
But God is glorified either way because more of Him is revealed.
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But there's a hidden line here no one thinks about. Life! God is Life! God Breathed Life into His Creation!

And this LIFE on Earth is partly why the Angels Fell. We see it in the Garden, Genesis 6, Genesis 11, Deuteronomy 32, Psalms 81-2, and elsewhere.

So God is taking no Pleasure or Glory for those who Reject Him.

And His Wrath upon them is justified because THEY CHOSE to Reject God. So, there's Glory in it because those who Reject God get what God Warned them about.
 
The_Watchers_2017 said:
But there's a hidden line here no one thinks about. Life! God is Life! God Breathed Life into His Creation!

And this LIFE on Earth is partly why the Angels Fell. We see it in the Garden, Genesis 6, Genesis 11, Deuteronomy 32, Psalms 81-2, and elsewhere.

So God is taking no Pleasure or Glory for those who Reject Him.

And His Wrath upon them is justified because THEY CHOSE to Reject God. So, there's Glory in it because those who Reject God get what God Warned them about.
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That's all fine. I was merely pointing out that God gets glory as He reveals Himself.

From a human perspective it may seem beneficial or detrimental. From the Divine perspective, either are equally desirable.
 
Cameron143 said:
That's all fine. I was merely pointing out that God gets glory as He reveals Himself.

From a human perspective it may seem beneficial or detrimental. From the Divine perspective, either are equally desirable.
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Ultimately, God gets the Glory because He is God and is Glorious in All things He does.
 
Cameron143 said:
That's all fine. I was merely pointing out that God gets glory as He reveals Himself.

From a human perspective it may seem beneficial or detrimental. From the Divine perspective, either are equally desirable.
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Yes, the true God of scripture receives glory when He reveals himself, this excludes the God of Calvinism.

I states this since @NOV25 does openly admit this to is true.

I respect this, even though I disagree wholeheartedly with all five points of TULIP.
 
HeIsHere said:
Yes, the true God of scripture receives glory when He reveals himself, this excludes the God of Calvinism.

I states this since @NOV25 does openly admit this to is true.

I respect this, even though I disagree wholeheartedly with all five points of TULIP.
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Not following. Please elaborate.
 
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