Why Moses and Elijah were at the transfiguration.

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Mem

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The all important question is how was sin represented in the body of Jesus?
He took the judgment of sin upon Himself. And His offering was accepted as He was sinless.

If God judged "the wages of sin is death" in a man who knew no sin (and who died!) - God was right to raise his Son and bestow on him a name which is above every name! The condemnation of death must be in the Christ otherwise everyone in this forum is still in their sins.

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What made Jesus different from any other man?
 

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Because it required not the son of two earthly parents, but one who is the Son of Man & the Son of God. A son who as Isaiah 11:3 could quickly discern the Spirit and one whom God could make strong for His purpose.
 

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He took the judgment of sin upon Himself. And His offering was accepted as He was sinless. What made Jesus different from any other man?
How was sin represented in himself?
 

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Idk what you're asking, do you mean does the form of man represent sin?
You said he took your sins upon himself - how?
Explain how they were represented in a man who died on a cross 2000 years.
What does that look like to you?
 

Mem

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Idk what you're asking, do you mean does the form of man represent sin?
You said he took your sins upon himself - how?
Explain how they were represented in a man who died on a cross 2000 years.
What does that look like to you?
The judgment didn't just 'represent' our sin, the judgment for our sin that He took upon Himself was the actual judgment of our sin. What is your idea of what is representing who, how, and why? You've already lost me pages ago and I'm having a time keeping up with your train of thought.

Consider how the first Adam, and subsequently the rest of us, sullied the image of God that we were created in, and the second Adam restored the image of man to glory. How can any ordinary man put glory back into anything if he never had it in the first place?
 

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Because it required not the son of two earthly parents, but one who is the Son of Man & the Son of God. A son who as Isaiah 11:3 could quickly discern the Spirit and one whom God could make strong for His purpose.
@F2F said: So why was he born of a woman; son of David after flesh and why would God condemn sin in the flesh of his son if it wasn't there to condemn?

But yet you say that sin dwells in the flesh of Jesus?
 

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@F2F said: So why was he born of a woman; son of David after flesh and why would God condemn sin in the flesh of his son if it wasn't there to condemn?

But yet you say that sin dwells in the flesh of Jesus?
It's not surprising. In Post 336 he says Jesus isn't God.
 

cv5

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How was sin represented in himself?
You are saying that sin represented itself in Jesus? When exactly did this occur?
 

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You said he took your sins upon himself - how?
Explain how they were represented in a man who died on a cross 2000 years.
What does that look like to you?
Freedom.
 

cv5

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You are right in what you are saying but realize this: If you are saying Jesus had the mind of the flesh which we know he did - then he could not be God - impossible.
Who is exactly is "we"?
 

cv5

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The all important question is how was sin represented in the body of Jesus?
If you say it wasn't then you have no atonement.
You are saying that the body of flesh of Jesus represented sin? And if we do not believe this then we have no atonement?
 

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For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son
in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness
of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 

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The reason they were there was to represent the water and the blood.
Elijah, the water, and Moses, the blood.They were standing along with Jesus as The Two Witnesses.Which are the covenants.
So on Mount Tabor you have the Spirit(Jesus) water(Elijah) and blood. (Moses)

The first shall be last,and the last first.
Moses(blood) was before Elijah.(water) Get it?

Matthew 17:5
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Some people say "so and so are the Two Witnesses because they represent the Law and the Prophets"
At the end of that road it all leads to his covenants.His Two Witnesses.They were there at the transfiguration of Jesus.And will be there at the transfiguration of the 144,000.Who will give the testimony of The Two Witnesses.And those who hear,and believe will be transfigured.
Hi Lifted....,

Yes, as you said and also they will be witnesses to the Lord in the trib.

Moses and Elijah.


Then Christ declares that He will give power to 2 men who will witness of Him to Israel and to the world of His coming kingdom rule through Israel. Their time is 1260 days.

`I will give power to My two witnesses,
and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days,
clothed in sackcloth.

These are the 2 olive trees and the 2 lampstands
standing before the God of the earth.`
(Rev. 11: 3 & 4)


These 2 men, Christ`s Witnesses, are represented by olive trees and lampstands. (Zech. 4: 6) They are Moses and Elijah. They witnessed Christ`s transfiguration where He told them of His soon departure from the earth. They were also at the tomb and witnessed Christ`s resurrection, and later ascension into glory. (Luke 9: 30. 24: 4, Acts 1: 10)

Thus, we see these same 2 men now appearing to Israel during the second half of the tribulation witnessing of Christ, not only as their soon coming King but also as their High Priest, the one who gave His life for them, and arose victorious over sin and death.
 

cv5

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I don't believe in heaven going...the meek will inherit the earth...not heaven!
How you say that you say the Church is not destined to heaven when they are here illustrated to BE IN HEAVEN?

Rev 5:9
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 4:4
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
Rev 4:10
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 5:11
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Rev 11:16
and the twenty and four elders, who before God are sitting upon their thrones, did fall upon their faces, and did bow before God,

No doubt we differ on many more doctrinal points but the Heaven and Hell going would be two majors.
What do you believe your Bible says as regards "heaven and hell going"?
 

cv5

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For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son
in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness
of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2Co 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.