Salvation is for the Whole World
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Belief is the gift. If someone believes, it is only because they have already become saved/born again. The "shall be saved" refers
to being saved from God's wrath on the last day not of being saved in this life.
[1Co 5:5 KJV] 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
No one can believe from the heart until saved.
[Jer 17:9 KJV] 9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
[Rom 3:10-11 KJV]
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
The "whosoever" are the elect, all are not included in the "whosoever". True belief can only come as a fruit of the Spirit.
[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Belief is a gift. "after that ye believed" is in the aorist tense.
[Eph 1:11 KJV] 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
I don't exactly follow your point with the above verse, but this should answer it:
[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
to being saved from God's wrath on the last day not of being saved in this life.
[1Co 5:5 KJV] 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
No one can believe from the heart until saved.
[Jer 17:9 KJV] 9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
[Rom 3:10-11 KJV]
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
The "whosoever" are the elect, all are not included in the "whosoever". True belief can only come as a fruit of the Spirit.
[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Belief is a gift. "after that ye believed" is in the aorist tense.
[Eph 1:11 KJV] 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
I don't exactly follow your point with the above verse, but this should answer it:
[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
I believe you are wrong because Scriptures uphold the fact that faith is a requirement for salvation,
and your equation has people being saved when they neither believe in God nor have any faith in
His plan of salvation for those who believe on the shed righteous blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 11:6
and your equation has people being saved when they neither believe in God nor have any faith in
His plan of salvation for those who believe on the shed righteous blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 11:6
Sorry that you disagree with me, but it does not change the results of my studies, as I attempt to harmonize the scriptures.
Spiritual faith comes with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, as a fruit of his. However spiritual faith is not the cause of a person's eternal inheritance, although, exercising our spiritual faith is necessary to please God, and also brings a deliverance (salvation) to his born again children who exercise it in their daily lives. Salvation=deliverance, according to Greek translation.
Most of God's children reference all of the salvations scriptures to eternal deliverance, which tends to teach them that their eternal deliverance is gained by their works.
The child of God, by his good works of exercising his faith, gaines him deliverance, as he sojourns here on earth.
I hope you can understand this. It is the only way that the scriptures will harmonize to include a deliverance gained by the good works of the child of God.
All souls belong to God. He is the author and giver and sustainer of life. This is not to say that all are
His children. Obviously all are not His children. Some are children of wrath, those who have refused
God's offer of salvation through the forgiveness Christ's shed righteous blood provided for all.
Those who believe by grace through faith have the right to call themselves God's children.
God is drawing all men to Him. Those who resist do so because they love their sin.
Romans 8:15-16
His children. Obviously all are not His children. Some are children of wrath, those who have refused
God's offer of salvation through the forgiveness Christ's shed righteous blood provided for all.
Those who believe by grace through faith have the right to call themselves God's children.
God is drawing all men to Him. Those who resist do so because they love their sin.
Romans 8:15-16
You can't get any more truth than that comment. Sums up the whole thread.
Oh I understand perfectly, you are just wrong.
It is not a work only if it comes as a gift. Per the verse, God did/does all of the work. If it is God's work as the verse says it is, and yet you do not believe that it is, then that work must be transferred to yourself to do it, thus making the manufacturing of your faith your work.
It is not a work only if it comes as a gift. Per the verse, God did/does all of the work. If it is God's work as the verse says it is, and yet you do not believe that it is, then that work must be transferred to yourself to do it, thus making the manufacturing of your faith your work.
You just keep changing the goalposts with each reply.
Bottom line, every human born, those who end up Saved, those who don't, while we were ALL UNSAVED we could understand that God is real by the way Nature was displayed on each Continent, each own Beauty of Creation. He Arrayed it like a puzzle disconnected down the middle. And SINNERS can see this and know God is real and they Need God.
To be able to acknowledge God, means, to be able to Choose do I believe or don't that God is Real?
Bottom line, every human born, those who end up Saved, those who don't, while we were ALL UNSAVED we could understand that God is real by the way Nature was displayed on each Continent, each own Beauty of Creation. He Arrayed it like a puzzle disconnected down the middle. And SINNERS can see this and know God is real and they Need God.
To be able to acknowledge God, means, to be able to Choose do I believe or don't that God is Real?
I apologise in advance for the long post, but don't know how to answer your question otherwise.
I do not claim to follow Calvin's doctrine. I have never read any of his writings, or any other man.s writings about the scriptures, except I do reference Strong's concordance. I use only the inspired scriptures contained in the KJV, believing that scriptures prove themselves, when compared to each other, without omitting any of them.
Salvation=deliverance, saved=delivered, and save=deliver, according to Strong's concordance.
This misunderstanding of the salvation scriptures, and having them all to reference eternal salvation tends to teach them that eternal deliverance is achieved by doing good works. Most of the well intended children of God fall into this misunderstanding. They are known in the scriptures as "the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
Spiritual Israel is made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (rev 5:9). Most of spiritual Israel turned away from God and started worshiping idols (themselves and their works [ the old law of Moses} ), however God left in the midst of them a remnant of Israel that shall do no iniquity, nor speak lies, neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth, for they shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid (Zeph 3:11-13).
The spiritually born again man can do many things, such as accepting Christ, repenting, confessing, praying, loving each other, and so forth. which are all good works that can save (deliver) them as they sojourn here on earth.
When a born again child of God commits a sin, they separate themselves from their fellowship with God, temporary, until they repent. however, they do not lose their eternal inheritance.
My statement may cause more questions, if so, ask, and I will attempt to answer, with scripture, the best that I can.
You are right on with most of your comments, but this one seems to contradict itself.
The first sentence, I agree with. It is your second sentence, that I question.
If the person is already born again, which I agree that he is, he is already saved (delivered) from God's wrath on the last day.
The "shall be saved" (delivered from his guilt, by following God's commandments, as he sojourns here on earth.)
You have acknowledged that your denomination is "Primitive Baptist."
^^^ https://www.britannica.com/topic/Primitive-Baptists ^^^
^^^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_Baptists ^^^
^^^ https://www.gotquestions.org/Primitive-Baptists.html ^^^
Primitive Baptists do not like the term Calvinism, but their statement of beliefs is Calvinistic.
^^^ https://bethelpb.org/about-primitive-baptists/ ^^^
^^^ https://www.britannica.com/topic/Primitive-Baptists ^^^
^^^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_Baptists ^^^
^^^ https://www.gotquestions.org/Primitive-Baptists.html ^^^
Primitive Baptists do not like the term Calvinism, but their statement of beliefs is Calvinistic.
^^^ https://bethelpb.org/about-primitive-baptists/ ^^^