Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled.

[Wansvic]

There is no "third temple being rebuilt in Israel during a 7-year 'tribulation' period" in biblical prophecy.

Rev 11:1-2
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

[HeIsHere]

Just because there are real jews in Jerusalem today does not mean that the nation is the real-and-true nation of Israel from a biblical historical perspective.

Indeed, the nation of Israel today is a form of counterfeit.

I know we were arguing/discussing something which I no longer remember, but I absolutely agree and I wish Christians would realize that this nation has no scriptural relevance, it is not prophetic.

 

[Happy_hobnob]

https://barrysetterfield.org/Signs/Signs.html

"First: Joel 2:30-31 states, "And I will show wonders in the heavens, and in the earth blood and fire and pillars of smoke. And the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the great and terrible Day of the Lord comes.” The great & terrible Day of the Lord is also known as the “Great Tribulation” in the New Testament. This is a period of 7 years just prior Christ’s Millennial reign.

Pillars of smoke? The Hebrew word translated "pillars" is "timmorah." It is used 21 times in the Old Testament. Only twice is the word translated as "pillars." The other 19 times it is translated as "palm tree." So there is to be "blood and fire and palm-trees of smoke." That is a very accurate picturing of the hydrogen bomb. The atomic bomb (on the right, below) is referred to as a mushroom cloud, not a pillar. But look at the hydrogen bomb, on the left below."

Nahum 2:3-4 reads:“Chariots of flashing steel will rage in the streets. They will jostle one against another in the broad roads; they will run like the lightning; they will move with blazing torches… In the day of His preparation to Come.”

How else could cars and trucks have been described at that time?

In the middle of describing the Lord’s Return, the prophet Isaiah (60:8) stops and asks: “Who are these that fly like a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?”

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Fourth: Prophecies in Amos 9:2 and Obadiah 4 may imply space-craft just prior to the Tribulation.

Amos 9:2 -- "Though you climb up to the heavens, from there I will bring you down … says the Lord God, who touches the earth and it melts (in the Tribulation)."

Obadiah 4 -- "Though you exalt yourself and … set your nest among the stars, from there I will bring you down (in the Tribulation), says the LORD."

I have a feeling our earth is losing its magnetic energy, because of lack of rain fall all over the earth, I believe the energy we take out of the ground fuels our earth and strengthens the earths magnetic energy, and mankind has took to much of the earth's energy. The rain will always rise up because of the sun, but I feal magnetic pressure pulls the rain back down, it's a fine balance that without the correct amount on fuel on board for the earth, we could have crossed a thresh hold. I've sensed this feeling for a while now, and it's getting worse, France had no rain in February, I can't prove any of this, it's only something I feel, but it's a strong feeling I have been feeling for over a year, now.

 

[cv5]

I have a feeling our earth is losing its magnetic energy, because of lack of rain fall all over the earth, I believe the energy we take out of the ground fuels our earth and strengthens the earths magnetic energy, and mankind has took to much of the earth's energy. The rain will always rise up because of the sun, but I feal magnetic pressure pulls the rain back down, it's a fine balance that without the correct amount on fuel on board for the earth, we could have crossed a thresh hold. I've sensed this feeling for a while now, and it's getting worse, France had no rain in February, I can't prove any of this, it's only something I feel, but it's a strong feeling I have been feeling for over a year, now.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the earth's magnetic field is weakening rapidly. There is a theory proposed that when the magnetic North Pole aligns with True North it does a "flip".
And all hell breaks loose.

 

[GaryA]

Rev 11:1-2
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Two things:

1) The command John was given to "measure" was "in the present" - John was to do it "right then" - in his "present" time.

2) The 42 months is in the past and not the future.

 

[GaryA]

I know we were arguing/discussing something which I no longer remember, but I absolutely agree and I wish Christians would realize that this nation has no scriptural relevance, it is not prophetic.

Now, I would not go as far as to say that it does not have any place at all in prophecy - I believe that the 'synagogue of Satan' verses in Revelation are specifically referring to those who brought modern Israel into existance for the sake of their agenda. The focus and point of what I said in previous posts was that modern Isreal is not "true" Israel from a biblical historical perspective. (i.e. - the 'dry bones' prophecy is yet to be fulfilled)

 

[HeIsHere]

Now, I would not go as far as to say that it does not have any place at all in prophecy - I believe that the 'synagogue of Satan' verses in Revelation are specifically referring to those who brought modern Israel into existance for the sake of their agenda. The focus and point of what I said in previous posts was that modern Isreal is not "true" Israel from a biblical historical perspective. (i.e. - the 'dry bones' prophecy is yet to be fulfilled)

I used to think that as well. But then I realized it was the ethnic literal Jews of Jesus's time, “synagogue of Satan” was Jewish by nature, but God’s Word was not abiding in them.

I cannot comment on the dry bones prophecy, I will add it to my list. Prophecy is hard work, even when looking backwards!!

 

[GaryA]

I used to think that as well. But then I realized it was the ethnic literal Jews of Jesus's time, “synagogue of Satan” was Jewish by nature, but God’s Word was not abiding in them.

Wouldn't you think that "which say they are Jews, and are not" taken literally would indicate that 'they' were not Jews at all in any way in the slightest?

 

[Wansvic]

Two things:

1) The command John was given to "measure" was "in the present" - John was to do it "right then" - in his "present" time.

2) The 42 months is in the past and not the future.

John's vision of future events begins in chapter 4 as referenced.

Rev 1:9
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,


Rev 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;


Rev 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

 

[Happy_hobnob]

There is no doubt whatsoever that the earth's magnetic field is weakening rapidly. There is a theory proposed that when the magnetic North Pole aligns with True North it does a "flip".
And all hell breaks loose.

I have read about that but that may be something to do with orbit periods, a natural cycle, to do with rotational cycle around the sun, where by in a certain cycle the forces of gravity are so reversed that this immediately flips the earth, there is evidence of it happening already.

My belief of the magnetic field weakening is different to that, and falls in line with you op, because this i feel is a result of industrial revolution, like nukes,

 

[Wansvic]

Two things:

1) The command John was given to "measure" was "in the present" - John was to do it "right then" - in his "present" time.

2) The 42 months is in the past and not the future.

In addition to the comments in post #449, John was exiled to Patmos around 95 A.D. during the reign of Roman Emperor Domitian. (81 and 96 A.D. ) The 2nd temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. making measuring it impossible.

 

[GaryA]

John's vision of future events begins in chapter 4 as referenced.

Rev 1:9
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,


Rev 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;


Rev 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

future to John; past to us

 

[GaryA]

In addition to the comments in post #449, John was exiled to Patmos around 95 A.D. during the reign of Roman Emperor Domitian. (81 and 96 A.D. ) The 2nd temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. making measuring it impossible.

I have reason to believe Revelation was written [well] before 70 A.D. - in spite of what the 'majority' seems to think.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I have reason to believe Revelation was written [well] before 70 A.D. - in spite of what the 'majority' seems to think.

When do you believe John wrote Revelation? How did you determine that?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

In addition to the comments in post #449, John was exiled to Patmos around 95 A.D. during the reign of Roman Emperor Domitian. (81 and 96 A.D. ) The 2nd temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. making measuring it impossible.

I have reason to believe Revelation was written [well] before 70 A.D. - in spite of what the 'majority' seems to think.

[To @GaryA ]

Here's what I've posted in the past:

[quoting from old post]


Who do you believe Rev2:13's "Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who WAS SLAIN among you" ?

Some [most?] sources say he was martyred AFTER 70ad... What is your view on that?

Metropolis of Pergamum (Wikipedia) -

"The Christian community of Pergamon was one of the earliest established in Asia Minor during the 1st century AD. It also comprised one of the Seven Churches of Asia mentioned at the New Testament Book of Revelation, written by John the Apostle. According to the Christian tradition, Antipas was appointed bishop of Pergamon, by John. He was martyred there in 92 AD.[3]"


[end quoting from old post]


Thoughts?

 

[Wansvic]

I have reason to believe Revelation was written [well] before 70 A.D. - in spite of what the 'majority' seems to think.

The reign of Roman Emperor Domitian was from 81 and 96 A.D. Domitian was responsible for the exile of John this alone provides evidence that Revelation was not written before 70 A.D.

 

[GaryA]

The reign of Roman Emperor Domitian was from 81 and 96 A.D. Domitian was responsible for the exile of John this alone provides evidence that Revelation was not written before 70 A.D.

I guess it all depends on which/whose history you decide to believe...

We can disagree - and, you can do research - start with this:

~ How many of the seven churches in Revelation were still in existence and functional in 95 A.D.?

If the status of as many as one of those churches - in 95 A.D. - did not match the indication in/of the letter to that church in Revelation - what does that mean?

 

[cv5]

future to John; past to us

OK Gary.....what do you think of this scenario in terms of an inevitable "future" event?

https://christianchat.com/threads/w...re-at-the-transfiguration.209906/post-5037762

"Joshua's conquest of the land is a type and microcosm of the FURTURE conquest of the PLANET by the greater Joshua, Jesus Messiah.
This conquest to happen YET FUTURE at the time of the 70th week of Daniel.

This conquest and type has nothing whatsoever to do with the Church per se. Nor does it have anything to do with the nullification of the Law.

Joshua took 7 years to complete the conquest = the 7 years and 70th week of the future time of tribulation."

 

[HeIsHere]

Wouldn't you think that "which say they are Jews, and are not" taken literally would indicate that 'they' were not Jews at all in any way in the slightest?

The reference to synagogue cannot be overlooked, it is distinctly Jewish.

The character of Revelation emphasizes that Christianity is the true Israel of God, and would suggest John’s put down of Judaism among ethnic, literal Jews:

 

[GaryA]

OK Gary.....what do you think of this scenario in terms of an inevitable "future" event?

"Not much..."