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Sure it does, and like I said, Jesus spoke metaphorically at times. His Body is the Temple, and The Church is His Temple.

In John 2:19-21, the Lord Jesus Christ was not speaking metaphorically of "The Church". The Lord Jesus Christ was speaking literally of the resurrection of His body from the dead.

as stated in the commentary you submitted: the language ... refer ... only to Messiah ... raised on the third day (Joh 2:19


your manipulation of Scripture is a sham ...

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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Again, 1 Cor 2:14 tells us that the natural man cannot receive the things of God, the Gospel

nope ... beginning at 1 Cor 2:6, the context changes to the mystery, the hidden wisdom

1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

skipping the verses from 1 Cor 1:19 to 1 Cor 2:13 is your sleight of hand and cunning craftiness whereby [you] lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14).

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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In John 2:19-21, the Lord Jesus Christ was not speaking metaphorically of "The Church". The Lord Jesus Christ was speaking literally of the resurrection of His body from the dead.

as stated in the commentary you submitted: the language ... refer ... only to Messiah ... raised Aon the third day (Joh 2:19


your manipulation of Scripture is a sham ...

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning cBODUraftEeeiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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Metaphorically Christ is speaking of the Church His Temple His Body in John 2

 

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nope ... beginning at 1 Cor 2:6, the context changes to the mystery, the hidden wisdom





skipping the verses from 1 Cor 1:19 to 1 Cor 2:13 is your sleight of hand and cunning craftiness whereby [you] lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14).

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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I Cor 2:14 is about the Gospel and how the natural man cannot know it for it must be Spiritually discerned.

 

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Metaphorically Christ is speaking of the Church His Temple His Body in John 2

nope ... the Lord Jesus Christ spoke literally of His resurrection 3 days after His crucifixion.

John 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them ...
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I Cor 2:14 is about the Gospel and how the natural man cannot know it for it must be Spiritually discerned.

nope ... you have been shown the context ... you reject the truth of God's Word and hold to your erroneous dogma.
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nope ... the Lord Jesus Christ spoke literally of His resurrection 3 days after His crucifixion.

John 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them ...
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Oh Yes. Christ was speaking metaphorically. His Body which was raised from the dead, metaphorically includes His Church, the Temple Of God. When Christ was raised up, so was His Body the Church Hosea 6:2

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.


Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
2. Primarily, in type, Israel's national revival, in a short period ("two or three" being used to denote a few days, Isa 17:6; Lu 13:32, 33); antitypically the language is so framed as to refer in its full accuracy only to Messiah, the ideal Israel (Isa 49:3; compare Mt 2:15, with Ho 11:1), raised on the third day (Joh 2:19; 1Co 15:4; compare Isa 53:10). "He shall prolong His days." Compare the similar use of Israel's political resurrection as the type of the general resurrection of which "Christ is the first-fruits" (Isa 26:19; Eze 37:1-14; Da 12:2).

 

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nope ... you have been shown the context ... you reject the truth of God's Word and hold to your erroneous dogma.
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Again 1 Cor 2:14 is about how the natural man cannot understand the Gospel, its foolishness to him. 1 Cor 2:6-7 is about the Cross, Christ the Wisdom of God

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

1 Cor 1:24

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

On 1 Cor 2:6

1 Corinthians 2:6-9. § 7. THE GOSPEL CONSIDERED AS WISDOM. So far Paul has been maintaining that his message is a “folly,” with which “wisdom of word” is out of keeping; yet all the while he makes it felt that it is wisdom in the truest sense—“God’s wisdom,” convicting in its turn the world of folly. If relatively the Gospel is not wisdom, absolutely it is so,—to persons qualified to understand it. This P. now proceeds to show (1 Corinthians 2:6 to 1 Corinthians 3:2 : cf. Introd. to Div. II.). The message of the cross is wisdom to the right people (§ 7), qualified to comprehend it (§ 8).

 

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When Christ was raised up, so was His Body the Church Hosea 6:2

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight

According to your Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary, Hosea 6:2 speaks of "Primarily, in type," the revival of the nation of Israel:

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary​

2. Primarily, in type, Israel's national revival, in a short period ("two or three" being used to denote a few days, Isa 17:6; Lu 13:32, 33); ​

Your Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary then goes on to explain the antitype and specifically points out that the antitype refers "only to Messiah ... raised on the third day (Joh 2:19"

antitypically the language is so framed as to refer in its full accuracy only to Messiah, the ideal Israel (Isa 49:3; compare Mt 2:15, with Ho 11:1), raised on the third day (Joh 2:19; 1Co 15:4; compare Isa 53:10). "He shall prolong His days." Compare the similar use of Israel's political resurrection as the type of the general resurrection of which "Christ is the first-fruits" (Isa 26:19; Eze 37:1-14; Da 12:2).​

Your own source does not substantiate your claim.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again 1 Cor 2:14 is about how the natural man cannot understand the Gospel

nope ... I've already gone through 1 Corinthians 2 and showed you the verses which relate to the gospel (Christ and Him crucified) and which verses go beyond the scope of the gospel:

The context changes from the gospel to the mystery, the hidden wisdom at 1 Cor 2:6.


1 Corinthians 2:

1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Jesus Christ, and Him crucified = gospel


1 Corinthians 2:

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [of full age, mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom [the gospel was never hid], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


The things spoken of in vss 6-14 which are spiritually discerned are enumerated in the verses:

vs 6 – the wisdom which was discussed among the mature believers ... the gospel was taught in the general congregation (vss 1-2).

vs 7 – the wisdom of God in a mystery ... this wisdom was kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25); and in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men (Eph 3:5); and from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God (Eph 3:9); and which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest (Col 1:26). Again, the gospel was never hid ... the gospel is proclaimed throughout all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelaton.

vs 8 – if the devil and his minions had known the mystery, the hidden wisdom, they never would have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ.

vs 9 – the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 10 – the deep things of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 11 – the things of God which no man knoweth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 12 – the things that are freely given to us of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 13 – things which the Holy Ghost teacheth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 14 – the things of the Spirit of God and specifically the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
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According to your Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary, Hosea 6:2 speaks of "Primarily, in type," the revival of the nation of Israel:

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary​

2. Primarily, in type, Israel's national revival, in a short period ("two or three" being used to denote a few days, Isa 17:6; Lu 13:32, 33); ​

Your Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary then goes on to explain the antitype and specifically points out that the antitype refers "only to Messiah ... raised on the third day (Joh 2:19"

antitypically the language is so framed as to refer in its full accuracy only to Messiah, the ideal Israel (Isa 49:3; compare Mt 2:15, with Ho 11:1), raised on the third day (Joh 2:19; 1Co 15:4; compare Isa 53:10). "He shall prolong His days." Compare the similar use of Israel's political resurrection as the type of the general resurrection of which "Christ is the first-fruits" (Isa 26:19; Eze 37:1-14; Da 12:2).​

Your own source does not substantiate your claim.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Jesus according to JFB is the Ideal Israel, and Jesus and His Church His Body are One ! So again when He arose, His Body the Church rose together with Him

Barnes of Hos 6:2 sees the church rising together with Christ as well:

After two days will He revive us (or quicken us, give us life,) in the third day He will raise us up - The Resurrection of Christ, and our resurrection in Him and in His Resurrection, could not be more plainly foretold. The prophet expressly mentions "two days," after which life should be given, and a "third day, on" which the resurrection should take place. What else can this be than the two days in which the Body of Christ lay in the tomb, and the third day, on which He rose again, as "the Resurrection and the life" John 11:25, "the first fruits of them that slept" 1 Corinthians 15:20, the source and earnest and pledge of our resurrection and of life eternal? The Apostle, in speaking of our resurrection in Christ, uses these self-same words of the prophet; "God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love wherewith He loved us - hath quickened us together with Christ, and hath raised us up and made us to sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" Ephesians 2:4-6.

Also I believe Paul referred to this passage as well as others in the OT when he preached the Gospel 1 Cor 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Now Hosea 6:2 is scripture that metaphorically speaks of Christs resurrection and the church with Him
Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Now you should see why one could not be a natural man to receive the Truths of the Gospel, these things must be Spiritually discerned. The natural man doesnt have the Spiritual capacity to know and understand the scriptures, yet the Gospel is according to the scriptures.

Jesus had to open up peoples understanding so they could understand the scriptures and the things concerning Him in them, which Hosea 6 would be included Lk 22:44-46

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

 

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nope ... I've already gone through 1 Corinthians 2 and showed you the verses which relate to the gospel (Christ and Him crucified) and which verses go beyond the scope of the gospel:

The context changes from the gospel to the mystery, the hidden wisdom at 1 Cor 2:6.


1 Corinthians 2:

1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Jesus Christ, and Him crucified = gospel


1 Corinthians 2:

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [of full age, mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom [the gospel was never hid], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


The things spoken of in vss 6-14 which are spiritually discerned are enumerated in the verses:

vs 6 – the wisdom which was discussed among the mature believers ... the gospel was taught in the general congregation (vss 1-2).

vs 7 – the wisdom of God in a mystery ... this wisdom was kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25); and in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men (Eph 3:5); and from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God (Eph 3:9); and which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest (Col 1:26). Again, the gospel was never hid ... the gospel is proclaimed throughout all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelaton.

vs 8 – if the devil and his minions had known the mystery, the hidden wisdom, they never would have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ.

vs 9 – the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 10 – the deep things of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 11 – the things of God which no man knoweth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 12 – the things that are freely given to us of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 13 – things which the Holy Ghost teacheth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 14 – the things of the Spirit of God and specifically the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
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1 Cor 2:14 is talking about how the natural man cannot understand the Gospel, it must be Spiritually diserned, but the natural man doesnt have the Spirit of God.

The Gospel of Christ is according to the scriptures, which the resurrection of Christ is part of the Gospel according to the scriptures, scriptures in Pauls day was the OT. Now Jesus had to open up mens mind to understand the scriptures, I just showed you that Lk 24:44-46

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Now OT scriptures, the Prophets metaphorically foretold of Christs resurrection Hos 6:1-2
Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Now Paul preached the Gospel to both jews and gentiles, in their natural minds they could not understand the scriptures 1 Cor 1:18,23-24

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Do you think spiritually dead jews or gentiles can discern that Hos 6:1-2 had its fulfillment in Christ and Him Crucified and He arose the third day from that passage ?

Im afraid you are deceived.

 

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Barnes of Hos 6:2 sees the church rising together with Christ as well

So? Ellicott wrote (bold mine):

In the third day—i.e., after a short time. This and the above expression are not identical in the designation of time. Some Christian interpreters (Jerome, Luther, Pusey) consider the passage has sole reference to the resurrection of Christ. But with Calvin, Henderson, Schmoller, &c., we consider this to be contradicted by the form of the expression. To bring in the resurrection of Christ with no authority from the New Testament is far-fetched over-refinement, and breaks the consistency of the passage.​

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/ellicott/hosea/6.htm​

and check out Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (bold mine):

The view is ultimately traceable to the paraphrase in the Targum, ‘he will revive us in the days of consolation which are to come’, i.e. at the resurrection (see the Peshito of John 11:25, which shows that ‘consolation’ and ‘resurrection’ are synonymous in Aramaic). Pusey and many old expositors even take the supposed reference to our Lord’s resurrection to be primary. But the context certainly does not favour any such reference, whether primary or secondary.​

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/cambridge/hosea/6.htm​

and Jesus and His Church His Body are One ! So again when He arose, His Body the Church rose together with Him

quit re-writing John 2:19-21 to support your erroneous dogma. In John 2:19-21, the Lord Jesus Christ was speaking literally of the resurrection of His body from the dead. And this understanding is further corroborated by John 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them.

At the time the Lord Jesus Christ arose from the dead, the church was not in existence. The church did not come into existence until after the Lord Jesus Christ ascended into heaven ... the birth of the church is revealed in Acts 2 with the great outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

Also I believe Paul referred to this passage as well as others in the OT when he preached the Gospel 1 Cor 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

what is written in 1 Cor 15:1-4 is the gospel:

the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins
the Lord Jesus Christ was buried
the Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead the third day

that is the gospel and, according to Rom 1:16, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth

Now Hosea 6:2 is scripture that metaphorically speaks of Christs resurrection and the church with Him

nope ... the church was not in existence until after the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven.

Now you should see why one could not be a natural man to receive the Truths of the Gospel, these things must be Spiritually discerned. The natural man doesnt have the Spiritual capacity to know and understand the scriptures, yet the Gospel is according to the scriptures.

trying to force your misinterpretation of 1 Cor 2:14 into your rambling, twisting, misinterpretation of Scripture does not change the fact that 1 Cor 2:14 relates to the mystery, the hidden wisdom which the apostle Paul discussed with more mature believers in the church at Corinth.

In your neverending conflating of the gospel with the mystery, the hidden wisdom, you reveal you are just as ignorant of the gospel as you are of the mystery. You need to go back and READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Jesus had to open up peoples understanding so they could understand the scriptures and the things concerning Him in them, which Hosea 6 would be included Lk 22:44-46

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

You think all that is written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms concerning the Lord Jesus Christ relates only to the gospel? ... all that Moses and the prophets wrote was the gospel only? The psalms contain only the gospel ???

Messiah is the subject of all of Scripture ... from Genesis to Revelation. There is much more written in Moses, the prophets, and the psalms than the gospel.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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1 Cor 2:14 is talking about how the natural man cannot understand the Gospel

nope ... 1 Cor 2:14 relates to the mystery, the hidden wisdom which Paul discussed only with those who were spiritually mature.

Paul could not discuss the mystery, the hidden wisdom with those who were newly born again. Paul could not discuss the mystery, the hidden wisdom with those who had been born again for awhile but were yet carnal (1 Cor 3:1). Paul spoke only about Christ and Him crucified with these folks.

However, with those who were more mature, Paul was able to go into more in-depth spiritual matters:

1 Corinthians 2:6-7 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [Greek teleios = mature, of full age]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory

Because you willfully ignore the truth of Scripture, you are ignorant of the gospel (which is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - Rom 1:16) as well as the mystery, the hidden wisdom which was hid in God from the beginning of the world until it was revealed to Paul.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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So? Ellicott wrote (bold mine):

In the third day—i.e., after a short time. This and the above expression are not identical in the designation of time. Some Christian interpreters (Jerome, Luther, Pusey) consider the passage has sole reference to the resurrection of Christ. But with Calvin, Henderson, Schmoller, &c., we consider this to be contradicted by the form of the expression. To bring in the resurrection of Christ with no authority from the New Testament is far-fetched over-refinement, and breaks the consistency of the passage.​

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/ellicott/hosea/6.htm​

and check out Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (bold mine):

The view is ultimately traceable to the paraphrase in the Targum, ‘he will revive us in the days of consolation which are to come’, i.e. at the resurrection (see the Peshito of John 11:25, which shows that ‘consolation’ and ‘resurrection’ are synonymous in Aramaic). Pusey and many old expositors even take the supposed reference to our Lord’s resurrection to be primary. But the context certainly does not favour any such reference, whether primary or secondary.​

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/cambridge/hosea/6.htm​

quit re-writing John 2:19-21 to support your erroneous dogma. In John 2:19-21, the Lord Jesus Christ was speaking literally of the resurrection of His body from the dead. And this understanding is further corroborated by John 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them.

At the time the Lord Jesus Christ arose from the dead, the church was not in existence. The church did not come into existence until after the Lord Jesus Christ ascended into heaven ... the birth of the church is revealed in Acts 2 with the great outpouring of the Holy Spirit.





what is written in 1 Cor 15:1-4 is the gospel:

the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins
the Lord Jesus Christ was buried
the Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead the third day

that is the gospel and, according to Rom 1:16, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth





nope ... the church was not in existence until after the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven.





trying to force your misinterpretation of 1 Cor 2:14 into your rambling, twisting, misinterpretation of Scripture does not change the fact that 1 Cor 2:14 relates to the mystery, the hidden wisdom which the apostle Paul discussed with more mature believers in the church at Corinth.

In your neverending conflating of the gospel with the mystery, the hidden wisdom, you reveal you are just as ignorant of the gospel as you are of the mystery. You need to go back and READ YOUR BIBLE!!!





You think all that is written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms concerning the Lord Jesus Christ relates only to the gospel? ... all that Moses and the prophets wrote was the gospel only? The psalms contain only the gospel ???

Messiah is the subject of all of Scripture ... from Genesis to Revelation. There is much more written in Moses, the prophets, and the psalms than the gospel.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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So again, Jesus spoke metaphorically at times, and the Gospel according to scripture has to be Spiritually discerned.

 

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So again, Jesus spoke metaphorically at times

please provide the number of the post submitted by me wherein I denied "Jesus spoke metaphorically at time"

You will not because you cannot because I never stated what you infer.

and the Gospel according to scripture has to be Spiritually discerned.

nope ...

Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

The born again one first hears the gospel when it is preached ... then he or she trusts and believes the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation ... then he or she is sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise (regenerated / born again).

Quit rewriting Scripture in your futile effort to support your erroneous dogma.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
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nope ... 1 Cor 2:14 relates to the mystery, the hidden wisdom which Paul discussed only with those who were spiritually mature.

Paul could not discuss the mystery, the hidden wisdom with those who were newly born again. Paul could not discuss the mystery, the hidden wisdom with those who had been born again for awhile but were yet carnal (1 Cor 3:1). Paul spoke only about Christ and Him crucified with these folks.

However, with those who were more mature, Paul was able to go into more in-depth spiritual matters:

1 Corinthians 2:6-7 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [Greek teleios = mature, of full age]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory

Because you willfully ignore the truth of Scripture, you are ignorant of the gospel (which is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - Rom 1:16) as well as the mystery, the hidden wisdom which was hid in God from the beginning of the world until it was revealed to Paul.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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1 Cor 2:12-14 is speaking about how the natural man cannot spiritually discern Gospel Truth, the spiritual things freely given us through the Person and Work of Jesus Christ Vs 12

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

As you can see God regenerates His People first by giving them the Spirit, then they can Spiritually know and embrace the truths of the Gospel,

John Gill on Vs 13

But which the Holy Ghost teacheth; or "in the taught" words "of the Holy Ghost"; in the language of the Scriptures, edited by the Spirit of God; or such as the Holy Spirit taught them, suggested to them, directed them to the use of; for he not only supplied them with matter, but furnished them with words, with proper and spiritual oratory:

comparing spiritual things with spiritual; the things of the Spirit of God, the doctrines of the Gospel, with the spiritual writings of the Old Testament, whereby their truth and harmony are demonstrated; speaking as the oracles of God, and prophesying or preaching according to the analogy of faith; and adapting spiritual words to spiritual truths, clothing them with a language suitable and convenient to them, not foreign and flourishing, but pure, simple, and native; or accommodating and communicating spiritual things, as to matter and form, to spiritual men; which sense the Arabic version favours and confirms, such being only capable of them; and with these there is no need to use the eloquence, oratory, wisdom, and words of men.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

1 Cor 2:12-14 is speaking about how the natural man cannot spiritually discern Gospel Truth

nope ... 1 Cor 2:12-14 relates to the mystery, the hidden wisdom discussed among of those who were of full age to comprehend the spiritual matters which go beyond the scope of the gospel (Jesus Christ, and Him crucified - 1 Cor 2:2):

1 Corinthians 2:

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [of full age, mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom [the gospel was never hid], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


The things spoken of in vss 6-14 which are spiritually discerned are enumerated in the verses:

vs 6 – the wisdom which was discussed among the mature believers ... the gospel was taught in the general congregation (vss 1-2).

vs 7 – the wisdom of God in a mystery ... this wisdom was kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25); and in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men (Eph 3:5); and from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God (Eph 3:9); and which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest (Col 1:26). Again, the gospel was never hid ... the gospel is proclaimed throughout all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelaton.

vs 8 – if the devil and his minions had known the mystery, the hidden wisdom, they never would have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ.

vs 9 – the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 10 – the deep things of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 11 – the things of God which no man knoweth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 12 – the things that are freely given to us of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 13 – things which the Holy Ghost teacheth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 14 – the things of the Spirit of God and specifically the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
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[brightfame52]

nope ... 1 Cor 2:12-14 relates to the mystery, the hidden wisdom discussed among of those who were of full age to comprehend the spiritual matters which go beyond the scope of the gospel (Jesus Christ, and Him crucified - 1 Cor 2:2):

1 Corinthians 2:

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [of full age, mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom [the gospel was never hid], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


The things spoken of in vss 6-14 which are spiritually discerned are enumerated in the verses:

vs 6 – the wisdom which was discussed among the mature believers ... the gospel was taught in the general congregation (vss 1-2).

vs 7 – the wisdom of God in a mystery ... this wisdom was kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25); and in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men (Eph 3:5); and from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God (Eph 3:9); and which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest (Col 1:26). Again, the gospel was never hid ... the gospel is proclaimed throughout all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelaton.

vs 8 – if the devil and his minions had known the mystery, the hidden wisdom, they never would have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ.

vs 9 – the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 10 – the deep things of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 11 – the things of God which no man knoweth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 12 – the things that are freely given to us of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 13 – things which the Holy Ghost teacheth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).

vs 14 – the things of the Spirit of God and specifically the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
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1 Cor 2:14 is saying that the Gospel cannot be understood by the natural man.

 

[Happy_hobnob]

Did you understand the OP ?

hi nice to meet you, ☺️ your first two posts I have just finished reading, which made me so happy. the interpretation is lost by many when the interpreter understands being justified as justification for themselves to justify there own faith, the meaning here is, it is not ourself's who justify our faith but it is Jesus who who has justified our faith.