These things have begun to take place

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Luke 21:28 But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads; because your redemption draweth nigh.

This is a concluding word to chapter 21 of Luke.

He continues with this word:

29 And he spake to them a parable: Behold the fig tree, and all the trees: 30 when they now shoot forth, ye see it and know of your own selves that the summer is now nigh. 31 Even so ye also, when ye see these things coming to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh. 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

The fig tree is a national symbol for Israel. In 1948 the UN voted for Israel to be restored as a nation and in a single day the nation of Israel came back into existence after almost 2,000 years of diaspora. That was a major fulfillment of prophecy as Ezekiel had described seeing a valley of dry bones (a picture that we all saw of the Holocaust after WWII) and was asked if they could live again.

However, Jesus didn't just say the fig tree but "all the trees". Egypt got independence in 1922, also Turkey declared itself a republic and in 1923 they were cut off from all their holdings as the Ottoman Empire. Saudi Arabia and Iraq gain independence in 1932, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria get independence in 1946, Libya gains independence in 1951, Yemen gains independence in 1967 and the UAE gains independence in 1971.

The Lord told us this event tells us that "summer is near" a reference to the harvest time at the end of the age.

He then tells us "this generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished". Now this has several interpretations and we will take a look at several.

1. Psalm 91 says a generation is 70-80 years. We'll go into greater detail on this word in a future post, but for right now let's consider this as the time frame. May 1948 -- May 2029 gives you a time range, after that it would be 81 years. The context of "all things accomplished" is Luke 21 and the last thing that is mentioned in that chapter prior to this word is 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

So this does not include Armageddon or the judgement seat.

2. However, some say this applies to the generation that was there at the time of Jesus speaking. There is a basis for this, and sure enough in 70AD the temple was destroyed as Jesus said without a stone being left upon a stone. An astounding prophecy in 30AD but the Jews had 40 years to repent for killing Jesus, after that the judgement came.

And it also refers to this word to the apostles who were there:

12 But before all these things, they shall lay their hands on you, and shall persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for my name’s sake. 13 It shall turn out unto you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate beforehand how to answer: 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to withstand or to gainsay. 16 But ye shall be delivered up even by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolk, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

 

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2008-1948=60

 

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2008-1948=60

Yes, but 2028-1948 = 80 and in 2029 Israel will be 81.

Psalm 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten,
Or even by reason of strength fourscore years;
Yet is their pride but labor and sorrow;
For it is soon gone, and we fly away.

 

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Yes, but 2028-1948 = 80 and in 2029 Israel will be 81.

At least I remember the weather that 2008 year was like summer even though it was October.

 

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The Temple Mount

Luke 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and offerings, he said, 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in which there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Too many do not appreciate how astounding this prophecy is. The Temple mount was stunning, it was gorgeous, it was magnificent and Jesus says "not one stone will be left upon another". The smallest stones weighed 2-5 tons and the largest stone probably weighed about 570 tons. This is not soldiers looting out of control, this was a concerted effort to rip apart and throw down each and every stone. This demonstrates how angry God was. He gave them 40 years to repent and they didn't. He gave them the ministry of the apostles and they killed them.

You need to look at Jesus track record, amazing prophecies fulfilled in His generation as He said. When you see that it will encourage you to believe the prophecies that have yet been fulfilled.

 

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Luke 21:28 But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads; because your redemption draweth nigh.

This is a concluding word to chapter 21 of Luke.

He continues with this word:

29 And he spake to them a parable: Behold the fig tree, and all the trees: 30 when they now shoot forth, ye see it and know of your own selves that the summer is now nigh. 31 Even so ye also, when ye see these things coming to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh. 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

The fig tree is a national symbol for Israel. In 1948 the UN voted for Israel to be restored as a nation and in a single day the nation of Israel came back into existence after almost 2,000 years of diaspora. That was a major fulfillment of prophecy as Ezekiel had described seeing a valley of dry bones (a picture that we all saw of the Holocaust after WWII) and was asked if they could live again.

However, Jesus didn't just say the fig tree but "all the trees". Egypt got independence in 1922, also Turkey declared itself a republic and in 1923 they were cut off from all their holdings as the Ottoman Empire. Saudi Arabia and Iraq gain independence in 1932, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria get independence in 1946, Libya gains independence in 1951, Yemen gains independence in 1967 and the UAE gains independence in 1971.

The Lord told us this event tells us that "summer is near" a reference to the harvest time at the end of the age.

He then tells us "this generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished". Now this has several interpretations and we will take a look at several.

1. Psalm 91 says a generation is 70-80 years. We'll go into greater detail on this word in a future post, but for right now let's consider this as the time frame. May 1948 -- May 2029 gives you a time range, after that it would be 81 years. The context of "all things accomplished" is Luke 21 and the last thing that is mentioned in that chapter prior to this word is 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

So this does not include Armageddon or the judgement seat.

2. However, some say this applies to the generation that was there at the time of Jesus speaking. There is a basis for this, and sure enough in 70AD the temple was destroyed as Jesus said without a stone being left upon a stone. An astounding prophecy in 30AD but the Jews had 40 years to repent for killing Jesus, after that the judgement came.

And it also refers to this word to the apostles who were there:

12 But before all these things, they shall lay their hands on you, and shall persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for my name’s sake. 13 It shall turn out unto you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate beforehand how to answer: 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to withstand or to gainsay. 16 But ye shall be delivered up even by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolk, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

beginning of the ot

“This is the book of the generation of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Beginning of the New Testament

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭

 

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beginning of the ot

“This is the book of the generation of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Beginning of the New Testament

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭

Thank you for reminding me, the third interpretation of the "fig tree generation" goes back to Adam and Eve covering themselves with fig leaves.

Jesus is the 2nd Adam, He is the one who has provided us with much better covering as a result of the shedding of His blood. What we are seeing today is a stunning lack of shame as people try to cover their sinful acts with fig leaves.

 

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The Temple Mount

Luke 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and offerings, he said, 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in which there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Too many do not appreciate how astounding this prophecy is. The Temple mount was stunning, it was gorgeous, it was magnificent and Jesus says "not one stone will be left upon another". The smallest stones weighed 2-5 tons and the largest stone probably weighed about 570 tons. This is not soldiers looting out of control, this was a concerted effort to rip apart and throw down each and every stone. This demonstrates how angry God was. He gave them 40 years to repent and they didn't. He gave them the ministry of the apostles and they killed them.

You need to look at Jesus track record, amazing prophecies fulfilled in His generation as He said. When you see that it will encourage you to believe the prophecies that have yet been fulfilled.

did you know that today sitting stop the temple mound is “ the dome of the rock “ one of the oldest and largest Muslim mosques on earth ? And on the ceiling in letters six feet high it says “ God certainly has no son “

Just an off topic question

 

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did you know that today sitting stop the temple mound is “ the dome of the rock “ one of the oldest and largest Muslim mosques on earth ? And on the ceiling in letters six feet high it says “ God certainly has no son “

Just an off topic question

We will get to that and there are some stunning correlations between the prophecies in Daniel, the year the Dome of the Rock was built and the number of years since that time.

 

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Thank you for reminding me, the third interpretation of the "fig tree generation" goes back to Adam and Eve covering themselves with fig leaves.

Jesus is the 2nd Adam, He is the one who has provided us with much better covering as a result of the shedding of His blood. What we are seeing today is a stunning lack of shame as people try to cover their sinful acts with fig leaves.

Yes I like what you’re saying oit the fig leaves that’s a good way to think of it.

In the ot the blood of animals never af try ally fave then any remission ot worked as a constant reminder that they were sinners and needed atonement continuously unless they be destroyed

While the law was literal for them then , the law is prophetic in nature for us who have received Christ

“For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The shedding of animal blood reminded then they needed an atonement to remit thier sin because it never worked it had to be done yearly but also daily sacrifices were made continual shedding of blood of innocent animals , could never atone for man’s sin it had to be a man’s innocent blood to atone for mans sin

the ot is very much like a man made fig leaf trying to hide our own shame just as your saying I really like that analogy

and the New Testament is to be clothed by God with Jesus Christ , which is the only atonement for mankind ever given or received of God

really enjoy the point you made there and the analogous comparison pretty cool thanks for sharing

 

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We will get to that and there are some stunning correlations between the prophecies in Daniel, the year the Dome of the Rock was built and the number of years since that time.

ueah I’ll be interested in reading what you have to say about that thanks again for sharing

 

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We will get to that and there are some stunning correlations between the prophecies in Daniel, the year the Dome of the Rock was built and the number of years since that time.

also lol another one off topic just interested in the way you looked at the fog leaves in genesis , what would you think about the tree of life , and tree of knowledge of good and evil ? And how is that manifests in the world today ?

 

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also lol another one off topic just interested in the way you looked at the fog leaves in genesis , what would you think about the tree of life , and tree of knowledge of good and evil ? And how is that manifests in the world today ?

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a form of religion in which people are taught to be like God.

Notice how rulers have used religion to justify wars, like the Crusades. The Muslims do this, India vs Pakistan did this, Protestan vs Catholics in Ireland did this.

In the Godfather you see that these Mafiosos use the Catholic church to give them a good public image.

It is probably one of the most important and uniquely Human discoveries that has had all kinds of implications for humanity.

 

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The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a form of religion in which people are taught to be like God.

Notice how rulers have used religion to justify wars, like the Crusades. The Muslims do this, India vs Pakistan did this, Protestan vs Catholics in Ireland did this.

In the Godfather you see that these Mafiosos use the Catholic church to give them a good public image.

It is probably one of the most important and uniquely Human discoveries that has had all kinds of implications for humanity.

When the old covenant was made the knowledge of good and evil

“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


And when the new covenant was made the tree of life we eat from

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Sort of the same for figure of the fig leaves they made and the tree they weren’t meant to eat from

Not sure that landed but lol I’m sorry for getting your thread off course I really enjoyed the read and look forward to reading some more of your thoughts in the future

 

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The fig tree is a national symbol for Israel.

Which verse says that?

1. Psalm 91 says a generation is 70-80 years.

That’s Psalm 90:10, and it doesn’t say anything about a generation (one man’s birth to the birth of his oldest child) but about the number of years one man would live.

2. However, some say this applies to the generation that was there at the time of Jesus speaking. There is a basis for this, and sure enough in 70AD the temple was destroyed as Jesus said without a stone being left upon a stone. An astounding prophecy in 30AD but the Jews had 40 years to repent for killing Jesus, after that the judgement came.

Yes, 40 years meaning until the end of “this generation” which was alive in AD 30.

 

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Which verse says that?

Jesus curses the Fig tree and it withers up. That is taken as being figurative of the Nation of Israel because they did not recognize the Messiah.

In the Old Testament Jeremiah 24, the entire chapter is probably the absolute clearest reference to the Jews being like Figs.

You can also look at Joel 2:21-25 and the reference to the Fig tree is a reference to Israel.

Isaiah 28:3 The crown of pride of the drunkards of Ephraim shall be trodden under foot: 4 and the fading flower of his glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be as the first-ripe fig before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

This is a reference to Ephraim which is often used to depict the Northern tribes of Israel.

That’s Psalm 90:10, and it doesn’t say anything about a generation (one man’s birth to the birth of his oldest child) but about the number of years one man would live.


Yes, 40 years meaning until the end of “this generation” which was alive in AD 30.

It refers to Jesus nativity, His generation, which began 30 years earlier.

 

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Jesus curses the Fig tree and it withers up. That is taken as being figurative of the Nation of Israel because they did not recognize the Messiah.

In the Old Testament Jeremiah 24, the entire chapter is probably the absolute clearest reference to the Jews being like Figs.

You can also look at Joel 2:21-25 and the reference to the Fig tree is a reference to Israel.

Isaiah 28:3 The crown of pride of the drunkards of Ephraim shall be trodden under foot: 4 and the fading flower of his glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be as the first-ripe fig before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

This is a reference to Ephraim which is often used to depict the Northern tribes of Israel.


It refers to Jesus nativity, His generation, which began 30 years earlier.

No wonder the FIG tree on my balcony was withers up. So the meaning that I never realized it before.

 

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No wonder the FIG tree on my balcony was withers up. So the meaning that I never realized it before.

I think the first mention is always the dominant meaning and that is a reference to Adam and Eve trying to cover their nakedness with fig leaves.

However in the verse about cursing the fig tree Jesus tells the disciples that if they speak to this mountain to be taken up and cast into the sea it will happen. The Roman Empire is typified by those seven hills in Rome. So it is pretty clear in that portion that the fig tree represents Israel while the mountain represents the Roman empire.

 

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It refers to Jesus nativity, His generation, which began

30 years earlier.[/QUOTE]
Really? Where is that in Scripture?

 

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When shall these things be?

7 And they asked him, saying, Teacher, when therefore shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when these things are about to come to pass? 8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not led astray: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am he; and, The time is at hand: go ye not after them.

Before Jesus even begins to give the signs He first gives a warning. This warning is very telling.

1. Many shall come in my Name -- they are pretending to be Christians. Just because someone comes in the name of Jesus Christ does not in any way mean they are not a false prophet or teacher.

2. Do not be led astray -- If someone is a false teacher or prophet they will lead you astray. There is a narrow path that leads to life and they will steer you onto the broad way that leads to destruction. The New Testament is filled with these warnings. Galatians talks about false brothers who sneak into the church to figure out how to bring us into bondage. Jude talks about them being lascivious and fleshly. Peter gives a detailed description that they will use fabricated stories to make merchandise of you. Jesus talks about knowing a tree from its fruit. The seven letters to the churches in Revelation are filled with warnings about Balaam and Jezebel and the synagogue of Satan. The only way you will not be led astray is if you are grounded in the word of God. That means you need to embrace the entire counsel of God. One way they lead people astray is to keep certain Bible verses away from the congregation. Some churches do not talk about prophecy even though that is 25% of the Bible. Others avoid the book of Revelation.

3. Saying I am he -- This is a big tell. John the Baptist said he wasn't anyone. Paul means small, and he said he was "less than the least of all saints". These phony teachers always have a story about how they are someone significant or that was prophesied of, or something like that.

4. The time is at hand -- Obviously at some point the time will be at hand. The Lord concludes this chapter saying when you see all these things begin to take place look up for your redemption draws nigh. So the real question is why are they saying the time is at hand? Is it because of Haley's comet? There is no prophecy in the Bible saying that would be the sign. This chapter is answering the question what is the sign of your coming, the Lord gives us the signs, but these ones will use all kinds of non Biblical reasons and they will take advantage of those who are not well grounded in the word.

5. Go ye not after them -- This is a big tell. Cults always, always require you to "go after them". Why? In the Bible we are disciples of Jesus Christ, the Bible is the more sure word of prophecy, and the New Testament is the fellowship of the apostles. If someone can minister light and life from the word that is fine. But there is no reason we need to "go after them". Paul condemned that in 1 Corinthians when he said that some say they are of Paul and some of Apollos, etc. The Lord will not require you to buy their books, go to their conferences, or support their ministry. The Lord may lead you to support a ministry, but you can be sure it will always be a free will offering and never some kind of requirement.