Does God want you to take charge and tell Him what to do?

soberxp · Mar 8, 2023

Faith is founded on Pragmatic and truth-seeking,If we only ask for the sake of delusion,then we will miss it,cuz the ask come from lusts not faith.

The Book of James 4:3
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

ResidentAlien · Mar 8, 2023

know1 said:

I know what faith is; I read my Bible. I'd suggest you do the same, without a word of faith filter. But I know you just want to debate so this is my last response to you.

JohnDB · Mar 8, 2023

know1 said:

YES,
A thousand times yes!

God is not a pool of energy that can be tapped by a feeling of holiness or by magic words. God is a person who is personal. He also can't be conned or talked into anything.

We can ask...HUMBLY.
We need God's advice...God has no need of ours. And likely ours will be insulting.

know1 · Mar 8, 2023

ResidentAlien said:

Then I guess this is my last message to you as well.
The reason why I know what faith is and how it works, is because I not only read the Bible, but studied the same for more than 4 decades now. And experienced the same as I believe for the same said 4 decades.
And unlike you and many others, I don't shrink away from delving into scripture, to prove what I have been saying is the truth and not a doctrine of devils. And I thought the whole purpose for this site, Bible discussion forum, was to discuss and debate biblical issues.
Generally, those who either don't know about a subject or are corrupt, almost always seem to speak in general terms, never engaging in the specifics.
I also noticed how you ignored the scripture I used to backup wof. It is a biblical truth, for it is part of scripture.
For again, it is written, "For verily or truly I say unto you, that whosoever shall say unto this mountain (note, this is NOT asking God for something, but speaking TO something), be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea, and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he said shall come to pass, he shall have whatsoever he says".
That scripture alone proves you and others of like mind, wrong, and me to be right or correct. And I receive this truth because I am of the truth.

maxwel · Mar 8, 2023

know1 said:

"Rights" before God:

Do we have "rights" before God, as his children?

That depends on how we define "rights."

A. If by "right" we merely mean PROMISES, things given freely by grace, but not owed to us... then yes, we have promises freely given.

B. If by "right" we mean something OWED to us, then no, there is nothing which God owes us... that's not in scripture.

Furthermore, God would even be justified if he killed all of us right now, as he has full ownership of us, and full sovereignty of all creation do with it it howsoever he pleases. I literally do not even have a right to life, in God's economy, beyond whatever happens to be God's will and pleasure. God, as sovereign, may do as he pleases... and our human belief or approval of this does nothing to alter it.

God Bless. Hope you have a great week.

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maxwel · Mar 8, 2023

MORE:

If someone wants to argue with my definitions in post #45, I would concede that the word "promise", when coming from a perfect and all powerful being, would carry a different weight than when coming from a human. The perfect and supreme nature of the entity does seem to change the gravity of the word.

But nonetheless, God remains sovereign.
He can do with us as he pleases.... constrained only by his own nature, and his own inviolable word.

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know1 · Mar 8, 2023

JohnDB said:

Please reread Mk 11:23, and show me, if you can, where Jesus tells us to ask God to move the mountain.
Now if you read the next verse you will see where Jesus tells us that whatsoever we ask for believing, when we pray, then it will be given.
I shouldn't have to say this but there is more than one kind of prayer. For example, there's a prayer of Thanksgiving, prayers of intercession, and just like in verse 24, there is a prayer where we just ask God for things.
However I would like to point out that verse 23 is not praying to God but speaking to the object or thing, while verse 24 is praying to God and asking him for whatsoever, and it is written that it shall be given, and I stress the word shall, because if God said, maybe, then you don't know what He will do, which means there is no solid ground to stand on concerning that promise. It would be like laying your foundation in sand rather than in the rock. And it would also cause you to Hope and wonder rather than have faith for God to give or do something about the situation you're praying for.
Back to verse 23. Why would Jesus himself teach us to speak to objects in faith, like he did, if he did not want us to do it?
I am not the first one to come up with this word of Faith theology, Jesus is. And I am just following His lead, and that which is written.

Pilgrimshope · Mar 8, 2023

know1 said:

This may sound like blasphemy, but the bible is full of instances, circumstances, and accounts of people telling God what to do.

In Isaiah 45:11, many translations write the verse similar to the kjv.
(KJV) Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

However, some say it should be written like the BSB.
(BSB) Thus says the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker: “How dare you question Me concerning My sons, or instruct Me about the work of My hands?

Many would say, "I would never tell God what to do, because we are to seek His will, not our own."
I would say, yes, we should seek the will of God, IF you don't know what His will is. But if you do, then should we tell Him what to do?
So did God tell us to tell Him what to do in the above verse or is He saying, "how dare you instruct me concerning the works of my hands?"
What about when Joshua spoke to God, while commanding the sun and moon to be still?
In my opinion, that was by far, the greatest miracle ever done by anyone on this earth.
So Joshua commanded it and God did as Joshua said.
What about the storm Jesus calmed?
Jesus Calms a Storm
Mar 4:35 And the same day, when the even was come, he saith unto them, Let us pass over unto the other side.
Mar 4:36 And when they had sent away the multitude, they took him even as he was in the ship. And there were also with him other little ships.
Mar 4:37 And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full.
Mar 4:38 And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish?
Mar 4:39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
Mar 4:40 And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?
Mar 4:41 And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?

Why was Jesus angry with His disciples? What was He expecting them to do, calm the storm or something?
I believe He wanted them to take care of the storm.

And what was Jesus actually saying in the below verses?
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask G154 in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask G154 any thing in my name, I will do it.

G154
αἰτέω
aiteō
ahee-teh'-o
- Strong’s: Of uncertain derivation; to ask (in generally): - ask, beg, call for, crave, desire, or require. Compare G4441.

G4441 is to question, i.e. ascertain by inquiry (as a matter of information merely; and thus differing from ... 0154, which is strictly a demand for something due; as well as from 2212, which implies a search for something hidden; and from 1189, which involves the idea of urgent need); by implication, to learn (by casual intelligence);

Was Jesus actually telling us to call for, or demand things in His name?
Joh 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall call for or demand, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. "
Joh 14:14 "If ye shall call for or demand any thing in my name, I will do it."

If Jesus is the living Word of God, and He is, and his word is the power of God, and HE commands us to Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils in His name, and since the angels, who excel in strength, and do His commandments, hearkening unto those who give voice to, or speak forth, God's living word verbally, then maybe it is okay to tell God what to do AFTER we FIND OUT, WHAT TO DO, AND HOW TO DO IT.

I understand this concept goes against the theology of only asking God for things and waiting to see, and wondering, if God will grant your request. Which in itself is incorrect, that is, hoping and wondering IF God will do as one asks.
But do you think it a sin and/or is scripturally incorrect to call for, require, even demand or command God to do the things you say out loud, in Jesus' name, and expect God to do it?

Children don’t command the father they obey him

Cameron143 · Mar 8, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

Not in my house. At least not more than once.

The_Watchers_2017 · Mar 8, 2023

Nah, God wants me to shut up and get out of His way so He can do something for His Kingdom.

My problem is I can't walk and shove my foot into my mouth at the same time.

Choosing us humans to do His Will by Him having complete control shows God has a sense of humor.

Cameron143 · Mar 8, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

If you had a good agent you could probably monetize that gift.

Beckie · Mar 8, 2023

know1 said:

you have your personal jets yet?

With all that faith why do you argue wiht folks if you think you can command God why not command people here and have it be so

know1 said:

Here you implied you have cast out evil spirits, Have you , if so what is your evidence ?

This site needs money to operate how about you demanding God to cover the costs.
WoF any sick people in you town or area..... When was the last time you walked into the local hospital and all were healed?

Praise the Lord one of my brothers has been redeemed from WoF trash.

Pilgrimshope · Mar 8, 2023

Cameron143 said:

Amen it’s more like the Father takes care of his children , gives them gifts , teaches them the right ways to choose and live , then takes care of them but he’s not a genie to grant our wishes , like a father isn’t there to serve his children’s commands but to keep them safe and teach them well

Cameron143 · Mar 8, 2023

Beckie said:

Good point. Why is there still all the fuss over global warming? Why is there still poverty? Why are people still sick? What are all these word of faith people doing? Don't tell us, show us.

Cameron143 · Mar 8, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

Faith isn't believing God will do what you say. Faith is believing what God says He will do.

Pilgrimshope · Mar 8, 2023

Cameron143 said:

Profound quote brother !!

lol gonna be our first on the random quote app 😂

Pilgrimshope · Mar 8, 2023

Cameron143 said:

If you are in Gods Will he will do what we ask him in reverence though

Like this is what I mean

“And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭11:22-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we need to be following the gospel to have what it says we have we can’t just demand things , we ask reverently within Gods good and perfect will believing he truly hears us and will give us everything we need or desire from a born again heart not desiring the world but the things of God

I’ve learned over my life the prayers that never come to fruition like I wanted , when I asked , turned out to always be a blessing or keep me from a snare I didn’t see was there

We need to trust Gods Will whoch is expressed in his word to us and not try to impose our Will upon him there’s a place of unity in him we need to find that place where his Will becomes our Will

Cameron143 · Mar 8, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

Whoa...I made the cut. Awesome.

Pilgrimshope · Mar 8, 2023

Cameron143 said:

Your supervisor bro remember lol

Cameron143 · Mar 8, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

Right. But I'm going to want a larger cut now that I'm also a contributor.

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