Salvation is for the Whole World
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Sadly I did not realize how deep and far Calvinism went till I came here. I find it stunning how someone could read the Word and still follow Calvin. What Calvin said and what the Word says are two different things. When I come across someone that says something different than the Word, which do you think I'm going to follow? Right, not Calvin.
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But here is the problem, if you believe Calvinism you are barring the door to heaven. You are saying only certain people have hope and the rest are lost, not because of their own actions, but that God doesn't love them enough to reach them, in fact He was so cruel He created them to suffer on this earth in sin then die and suffer more in hell. We cannot allow that to be taught to new believers it's a lie from hell. Period.
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Lord willing, if you set your emotions aside for a moment you’ll see my statement is factual.
The Arminian/Pelagian gospel is in alignment with all satanic religions as it claims man has ability of his own will to be right with God. Man’s ability is at the center of all false gospels, it’s a seed planted by Satan himself. Eve in the garden, Tower of Babel…
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Perhaps it would help you to realize that creation/salvation is for the glory of God, it’s Christ centered not man centered.
All have sinned and fallen short, none seek after God yet the Father promised in eternity past a bride for the Son, a bride redeemed by the Spirit. A bride that would be formed into the likeness of the Son in sanctification by the Spirit. Salvation is entirely of the Lord for His glory, man simply benefits from this Trinitarian work of love.
The Arminian/Pelagian gospel is in alignment with all satanic religions as it claims man has ability of his own will to be right with God. Man’s ability is at the center of all false gospels, it’s a seed planted by Satan himself. Eve in the garden, Tower of Babel…
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Perhaps it would help you to realize that creation/salvation is for the glory of God, it’s Christ centered not man centered.
All have sinned and fallen short, none seek after God yet the Father promised in eternity past a bride for the Son, a bride redeemed by the Spirit. A bride that would be formed into the likeness of the Son in sanctification by the Spirit. Salvation is entirely of the Lord for His glory, man simply benefits from this Trinitarian work of love.
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We have all throughout the Bible examples of God giving people dreams for interpretation, or Carpenter Joseph dreaming about the Angel telling him Mary is pregnant with God's Seed.
Dreams and visions come from the area of the mind I am discussing. And from our Bible examples we have unsaved natural men having dreams that are interpreted by the likes of Joseph and Daniel.
It shows God making contact with the natural unsaved man, he having his dreams interpreted, he still remains a natural unsaved man who God communicated to.
Dreams and visions come from the area of the mind I am discussing. And from our Bible examples we have unsaved natural men having dreams that are interpreted by the likes of Joseph and Daniel.
It shows God making contact with the natural unsaved man, he having his dreams interpreted, he still remains a natural unsaved man who God communicated to.
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Your statement is not even close to factual. It is in fact a lie. The Word says Christ died for all. Period, the end of the sentence. Nothing is added or taken away. You are flat out calling God a liar to say anything else. I do not serve a God that would create a people so He could destroy them. That He would let them live and suffer in sin with no hope. THAT is satanic, THAT is like the Muslim god. That is NOT the God I serve. The God I save is willing that no one should perish, that's what He told us. He is able and willing to save. And I thank Him for it.
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In rereading my prior reply to you, I realized that probably wasn't clear enough. God, as Christ, is the quickening spirit (see 1Co 15:45 below), Becoming indwelt by the Holy Spirit is not synonymous with making someone saved - it is as a result of having become saved. The purpose for it is to impart the fruit of the Spirit unto the saved. IMHO, salvation itself occurs when God takes His elect from under the law of sin and death and places them under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, with the indwelling coming from and because of that.
BTW, the "last Adam" as quickening spirit was Christ.
[1Co 15:45 KJV] 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
BTW, the "last Adam" as quickening spirit was Christ.
[1Co 15:45 KJV] 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
I am sorry that I came across as I believe in Calvinism, I do not. I am not a fan of Calvin or his practices as I understand history.
I do however believe in predestination and election according as the scriptures speak it.
I do not make the judgement as to who is or is not elected. I am trying to make my own calling and election sure and to encourage others to do the same.
I do not believe that I shut up heaven because of my belief in the scriptures. I believe that your projections of what I believe or am doing are not consistent with what I actually do and believe, because you do not truly know me, but are seeing me through the eyes of the argument here (I believe).
Which is why I often try to appeal to those that hold the Calvinist doctrine not to make divisions.
I do however believe in predestination and election according as the scriptures speak it.
I do not make the judgement as to who is or is not elected. I am trying to make my own calling and election sure and to encourage others to do the same.
I do not believe that I shut up heaven because of my belief in the scriptures. I believe that your projections of what I believe or am doing are not consistent with what I actually do and believe, because you do not truly know me, but are seeing me through the eyes of the argument here (I believe).
Which is why I often try to appeal to those that hold the Calvinist doctrine not to make divisions.
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I've heard mentioned before, and which I believe to be true, that all of the religions of world fall into one of two mutually exclusive forms of belief: 1) solely by grace, or 2) solely by works. And in being mutually exclusive, there can be no intermingling of the two.
True Christianity exclusively embodies grace alone.
True Christianity exclusively embodies grace alone.
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God is a Spirit, and we must worship him in spirit and in truth. Are you contending that the natural man, that cannot discern the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness, neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned, will call upon the name of a spiritual Lord?
Romans 10 is directed by Paul to the biggest part of spiritual Israel (Rev 5:9) who are a disobedient and gainsaying (stubborn) people, (Rom 10:21), because they sought their righteousness not by faith, but as if it were by the works of the law, for they stumbled at that stumblingstone (Rom 9:33).
Salvation=deliverance, saved=delivered and save=deliver, according to Greek interpretation.
Rom 10, verse 1 begins by Paul praying for the disobedient Israel that they might be saved (delivered from their ignorance). He affirms that they have a ZEAL of God (defending God), but not according to knowledge, for they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, (by their works), having not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God..
Zeph 3:11-13, gives more on explaining how spiritual Israel is divided by the disobedient part and the remnant of Israel, who are an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord. The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth; for they shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid. Paul is one of the remnant.
Most on this forum are among the disobedient Israel (lost sheep of the house of Israel) who are depending upon their works of righteous for their eternal deliverance.
Romans 10 is directed by Paul to the biggest part of spiritual Israel (Rev 5:9) who are a disobedient and gainsaying (stubborn) people, (Rom 10:21), because they sought their righteousness not by faith, but as if it were by the works of the law, for they stumbled at that stumblingstone (Rom 9:33).
Salvation=deliverance, saved=delivered and save=deliver, according to Greek interpretation.
Rom 10, verse 1 begins by Paul praying for the disobedient Israel that they might be saved (delivered from their ignorance). He affirms that they have a ZEAL of God (defending God), but not according to knowledge, for they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, (by their works), having not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God..
Zeph 3:11-13, gives more on explaining how spiritual Israel is divided by the disobedient part and the remnant of Israel, who are an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord. The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth; for they shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid. Paul is one of the remnant.
Most on this forum are among the disobedient Israel (lost sheep of the house of Israel) who are depending upon their works of righteous for their eternal deliverance.
Actually I assumed you were not Calvinist. I also believe in predestination and I believe that those that become saved are the elect. I just don't believe that God chooses who is elect. I believe He knows who will come, but I do not believe He created some for destruction. The issue is if you are involved in evangelism and outreach you need to know what the Word says. So I am not speaking specifically of you, I was talking about the die hards of Calvinism.
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The Christian gospel is the only gospel of grace, ALL other religions teach a works gospel.
What is behind every satanic works religion?
Behind every religion of works is the satanic notion that man is ABLE, that man has some ABILITY to become right with God by his own free will. I call it the satanic seed of ability 🤷♂️
“Pelagius (c. 355 – c. 420AD), an ascetic and philosopher from the British Isles, taught that God could not command believers to do the impossible, and therefore it must be possible to satisfy all divine commandments.”
God would not command man something he wasn’t ABLE to do therefore man must be able to believe unto salvation… Wiki.
It goes back even further though, Peter and Paul dealt with those Jews who “believed” that taught faith plus works. 🤷♂️
It’s the default position of fallen man and those who hate the gospel of grace to retain some level of man’s ability to please God but I digress
What is behind every satanic works religion?
Behind every religion of works is the satanic notion that man is ABLE, that man has some ABILITY to become right with God by his own free will. I call it the satanic seed of ability 🤷♂️
“Pelagius (c. 355 – c. 420AD), an ascetic and philosopher from the British Isles, taught that God could not command believers to do the impossible, and therefore it must be possible to satisfy all divine commandments.”
God would not command man something he wasn’t ABLE to do therefore man must be able to believe unto salvation… Wiki.
It goes back even further though, Peter and Paul dealt with those Jews who “believed” that taught faith plus works. 🤷♂️
It’s the default position of fallen man and those who hate the gospel of grace to retain some level of man’s ability to please God but I digress
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