"What must I do to be saved?"

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ResidentAlien

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Demas who at one time a fellow labourer now loves this present world system does not undermined to lose his salvation but rather his reward. He certainly loses his reward but not his salvation.
So I can walk away and only have to worry about losing a few rewards. Good to know.
 

oyster67

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Sinners partake of the HS every time they are surrounded by Gods people. Sinners partake of the HS every time they walk into a church..
No. Doesn't work that way. The Holy Spirit enters a man when He is born again, not when he "walks into a church."

the passage you are trying to use is saying to a jew who thinks he should go back to the law.
The passage I am using is addressed to "those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost".

Hebrews 6:
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Hebrews 10:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
 

oyster67

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This statement downgrades rewards given by our Savior at the JSOC.
The only reward given for apostacy is hellfire. That sentence will be passed down to them at the Great White Thrown Judgement. They will never see the Judgment of Believer's Works.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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No. Doesn't work that way. The Holy Spirit enters a man when He is born again, not when he "walks into a church."
It does not see the U.S. entered them it say they partook of him.
huge difference
The passage I am using is addressed to "those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost".

Hebrews 6:
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Hebrews 10:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
The passage is talking about Jews who partook in the church but returned to the law. Sinning willfully by rejecting the cross.

You see blessing and thorns. And you see how the thorn on the branch is near to being cursed. They did not lose salvation. They lost blessing. Note 1 cor gold silver precious stone wood hey straw but he himself is saved even as through fire.
 
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The only reward given for apostacy is hellfire. That sentence will be passed down to them at the Great White Thrown Judgement. They will never see the Judgment of Believer's Works.[/QUOTE

Is apostasy committing sin after being saved or something else? I believe I have sinned many times since believing in Jesus death and resurrection for my salvation. I believe I probably sin every day but when I realize it I confess it to Him.

Do my sinning mean I’m going to the lake of fire?
 

John146

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I've been saved at least five or six times. I stopped counting.
Brother, I say this with all humility, please stop counting and know that salvation is a one time event after one places his trust in Jesus Christ. You did nothing to earn salvation, and you can do nothing to keep it. Your salvation is dependent alone on the cross of Jesus. There's no need to crucify the Lord over and over.
 

Underwhosewings

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Consider what the scripture references concerning calling upon the name of the Lord:

Jesus sent Ananias to tell Paul what he must do: "Why tarriest thou? arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

Those at Pentecost asked what they must do. Peter tells them to repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin. (Acts 2:38-41)

An angel told Cornelius to call for Peter and he would tell him how to be saved. Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus. (Acts 10:43, 47-48)
Luke 23:43 KJV
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
 

ResidentAlien

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Brother, I say this with all humility, please stop counting and know that salvation is a one time event after one places his trust in Jesus Christ. You did nothing to earn salvation, and you can do nothing to keep it. Your salvation is dependent alone on the cross of Jesus. There's no need to crucify the Lord over and over.
Gotcha.
 

Wansvic

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Luke 23:43 KJV
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
The thief died prior to the institution of the NT. The NT rebirth experience was made available on the Day of Pentecost when Jesus poured out the Holy Spirit. Jesus prophesied that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in His name to all nations BEGINNING in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." (Acts 2:38-39)
 

oyster67

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Do my sinning mean I’m going to the lake of fire?
If you harden your heart and refuse to repent, that is exactly where you shall go. Salvation is not a ticket to do your own thing ever-after. We are called to walk in the light and in the Spirit of thankfulness and humility. That means we confess our sins with a penitent heart.

Revelation 2:
16Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 17He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 3:
19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 

oyster67

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I probably sin every day but when I realize it I confess it to Him.
Yes, that is how we overcome.

1 John 1:9
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

Luke 11:4
“And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.”
 

ForestGreenCook

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Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Sanctification is an ongoing process to those who were perfected forever (positional sanctification)

I do not know what version of the bible you are studying from, but the KJV does not have the word "being" before the word sanctified.
 

ForestGreenCook

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The greek shows that it is an ongoing thing.. not a completed thing.. where as being perfected is a completed action.

Just another flaw in the KJV

I do not know what Greek concordance you are using, but Strong's concordance says: Hallow, be holy, sanctify.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Brother, I say this with all humility, please stop counting and know that salvation is a one time event after one places his trust in Jesus Christ. You did nothing to earn salvation, and you can do nothing to keep it. Your salvation is dependent alone on the cross of Jesus. There's no need to crucify the Lord over and over.

I have revealed to you before, but it is worth repeating so that, maybe you will consult Strong's Greek concordance, and realise that salvation=deliverance, and a child of God is delivered (saved) many times as he sojourns here in this world, by his good works.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Whether you understand it or not, The born again child of God experiences many salvations (deliverances) as he sojourns here in this world, because of his good works.

Most of God's born again children do not understand this biblical truth, that there is a one time eternal deliverance for all of those that God gave to his Son (john 6:39, & John 10:28-29). and there are many salvations (deliverances) that the child of God receives here on earth, by his good works.

Salvation=deliverance, saved=delivered, and save=deliver, according to Strong's concordance.