"What must I do to be saved?"

[Cameron143]

Lying to people is still a sin, is it not?

Lies are deliberate misrepresentations. Unless you are omniscient, seems to me it is impossible to tell the wheat from the tares.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

It will not deliver them eternally, but it will deliver (save) them from their guilty conscience.

It did not deliver me from mine..where do you come up with this stuff?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

If I tell a lost person, a person who is not a part of the so-called elect, and tell them salvation is available to them through Jesus Christ...wouldn't I be lying to that person?

Yes. Salvation, according to Greek meaning, means a deliverance. God choose his elect before the foundation of the world, and predetermined that Christ would adopt them as his children (Eph 1). This was part of the process of the adoption, and will be finalized when Christ comes back again to take them home.

Eternal salvation (deliverance) was accomplished on the cross and is not available thereafter.

The scriptures teach that there are many deliverances (salvations) that the elect receive here in time for their good works.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I appreciate your point of view and that you took the time to share your understanding.
I wasn't giving my personal point of view. I was merely pointing out that what many see as an apparent contradiction logically actually isn't.
One of the reasons I don't care to have my posts partially quoted is that often when they are, it isolates one thought from several others that are necessary for context. I have no problem if a part is isolated so long as the entire post is included.
If you find it helpful to break up text to make a point, as many do, I don't want to hinder your ease of communication. But please, somewhere in the body of the text, give the entire quote.

Good advise.

 

[John146]

The majority of the elect have not come unto a knowledge of the truth of the gospel, as evidenced here on this forum.

Christ died to redeem those that God gave him (his elect, John 6:39). Their eternal deliverance was promised by Christ's death on the cross.

The remnant of the household of spiritual Israel, are instructed to teach and preach to the lost sheep of the household of spiritual Israel, to bring them unto a knowledge of the truth, which will deliver (save) them, here in time, as they sojourn here on earth.

And yet, the so called elect has no idea who these so called lost sheep are?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Have you ever noticed the condition expressed by Paul in Rom. 6:5. He said IF a person is planted together in the likeness of Jesus death through baptism they shall also be in the likeness of his resurrection.

"Know ye not that so many OF US as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."

Yes brother I’ve noticed the ifs that’s what makes it relevant to me I know about it

someone who doesn’t know about baptism for remission and hasn’t noticed the “ ifs “ is in a different position than me we have to live up to what we ourselves know and understand that’s how faith works

“And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We Christian’s are only a part of the kingdom Abraham isaac and jacob for instance weren’t baptized but are hiers of the kingdom like we are

baptism is an essential of faith , but it only becomes essential by faith You and I believe what we believe about baptism , because of what we have seen and heard in scripture and experiences in life also

everyone hasn’t learned the same things so thier faith is in a different spot where I was explaining mine used to be I didn’t know baptism was important for a very long time , and I’m positive had something happened to me in Vietnam before I was baptized , I’m positive I would t have been lost based on not being baptized is all I’m getting at brother

 

[ForestGreenCook]

And yet, the so called elect has no idea who these so called lost sheep are?

Not difficult to see that most on this forum are of the elect, but they are the lost sheep because they are teaching false doctrines.

 

[Inquisitor]

The eunuch response to Philip's message below speaks to Jesus statement in Mark 15:16; Go into all the world and preach the gospel. Those who believe and are baptized shall be saved.

"Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Acts 8:35-37

Water baptism is an external sign of that belief in Jesus Christ.

Water baptism is not the cause of salvation and the baptism in the Holy Spirit is the true baptism.

1 Corinthians 15:1-2
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

1 Corinthians 15:3-4
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Seeking-the-Truth]

I submitted this reply on a similar topic but believe it's applicable here as well:
The Bible teaches that salvation is not a one time event, but a process. Salvation requires our action (Mk 1:15, 2 Cor 7:10 and many others teach/confirm this) - saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” Repentance is a prerequisite for salvation. We must repent of our worldly/sinful ways and commit to God's ways. To repent requires that we know what we are repenting of, our sins, which requires us to know what sin is - what God defines as sin. As 1 Jn 3:4 tells us, sin is the transgression of the law. Ez 18:21 (Acts 17:30) provides us this perspective, “But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die". Paul tells us in Phil 2:12 to work out our salvation - "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling", The Messiah confirms all this in Rev 14:12, "Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".

 

[Blade]

Not difficult to see that most on this forum are of the elect, but they are the lost sheep because they are teaching false doctrines.

This one caught my eye. Bold statement. For me I just see texted to then judge base on some posts made its like taking a book and just reading this page jump to that page done I know what the books about. Silly I know haha. Its what you said "they are the lost sheep teaching false doctrines". Lost sheep and false doctrines. Would you care to share? Heard a prophet what 1950 something say "many different doctrines here but that does not touch salvation." Do you see?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I submitted this reply on a similar topic but believe it's applicable here as well:
The Bible teaches that salvation is not a one time event, but a process. Salvation requires our action (Mk 1:15, 2 Cor 7:10 and many others teach/confirm this) - saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” Repentance is a prerequisite for salvation. We must repent of our worldly/sinful ways and commit to God's ways. To repent requires that we know what we are repenting of, our sins, which requires us to know what sin is - what God defines as sin. As 1 Jn 3:4 tells us, sin is the transgression of the law. Ez 18:21 (Acts 17:30) provides us this perspective, “But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die". Paul tells us in Phil 2:12 to work out our salvation - "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling", The Messiah confirms all this in Rev 14:12, "Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".

If salvation is a process. We are prety much under law not under grace.

If it is a process. we will all fall short. Because Gods requirement is perfection.

Only Christ fulfilled that requirement

 

[Seeking-the-Truth]

If salvation is a process. We are prety much under law not under grace.

If it is a process. we will all fall short. Because Gods requirement is perfection.

Only Christ fulfilled that requirement

I can only trust in what God says. Do all we can to follow Him and trust that when we stumble, He will be there to pick us up.

 

[SteveSmith]

If salvation is a process. We are prety much under law not under grace.

If it is a process. we will all fall short. Because Gods requirement is perfection.

Only Christ fulfilled that requirement

Salvation is immediate but sanctification is a process until death or the rapture. The sanctification process does not mean we are not saved, just becoming more like Christ until we leave the sinful flesh body we are still in.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I can only trust in what God says. Do all we can to follow Him and trust that when we stumble, He will be there to pick us up.

Well he did promise he would pick us up. He also promised he would never leave us nor forsake us

Thats what eternal life is. Thats what our hope is based on.

if we think we have to do good to earn his gift of salvation. we do not trust his promise

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Salvation is immediate but sanctification is a process until death or the rapture. The sanctification process does not mean we are not saved, just becoming more like Christ until we leave the sinful flesh body we are still in.

yes,

we are justified or positionally sanctified in christ - a completed action

we are being sanctified conditionally every day we are alive.. - a work in process

not everyone will reach sup[er maturity, even the babe will be in heaven.

 

[Seeking-the-Truth]

Well he did promise he would pick us up. He also promised he would never leave us nor forsake us

Thats what eternal life is. Thats what our hope is based on.

if we think we have to do good to earn his gift of salvation. we do not trust his promise

I could use some clarification as to how you set out to live your life after your repentance? Scripture clearly states that if we return to a life of unrepentant sin there is no hope. (Hebrews 6).

 

[oyster67]

Hello Oyster. I love this scripture that the bible gives three times:
Joel 2:32 Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved
Acts 2:21 Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
Romans 10:13 Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved

Amen, God Bless

Amen! In both OT and NT even! Thank you for that, Brother Fillan.

 

[studentoftheword]

The Bible teaches that salvation is not a one time event, but a process

Just to clarify

I say your mistaken here -----your being saved is a one time event -------when a person does this they are saved -----one time event -------you need to Acknowledge ---Confess and Believe ------- it says ---YOU WILL BE __SAVED ---this Scripture tells you how you get SAVED -----

Romans 10:9
Amplified Bible
because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,you will be saved

Salvation is a one time event ---you immediately have the Holy Spirit indwelled in you and your Holy as far as God is concerned ---your heaven bound -------your sins are forgiven ------your saved -----

So after your Saved then it is up to us to start to Mature in our Walk with Christ ------and grow our Faith by being in the Word and obeying it -----

When you get saved your a Carnal Christian ------a Babe in Christ -----your on milk and need to mature to solid meat ------that is our job After being Saved -----you are to go from a Carnal Man to a Spiritual Man-----

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I could use some clarification as to how you set out to live your life after your repentance? Scripture clearly states that if we return to a life of unrepentant sin there is no hope. (Hebrews 6).

John said those born of God cant sin, whoever lives in sin has neither seen God or known God

so if your a christian, I have to wonder how you think you can turn back to sin.

 

[Seeking-the-Truth]

Just to clarify

I say your mistaken here -----your being saved is a one time event -------when a person does this they are saved -----one time event -------you need to Acknowledge ---Confess and Believe ------- it says ---YOU WILL BE __SAVED ---this Scripture tells you how you get SAVED -----

Romans 10:9
Amplified Bible
because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,you will be saved

Salvation is a one time event ---you immediately have the Holy Spirit indwelled in you and your Holy as far as God is concerned ---your heaven bound -------your sins are forgiven ------your saved -----

So after your Saved then it is up to us to start to Mature in our Walk with Christ ------and grow our Faith by being in the Word and obeying it -----

When you get saved your a Carnal Christian ------a Babe in Christ -----your on milk and need to mature to solid meat ------that is our job After being Saved -----you are to go from a Carnal Man to a Spiritual Man-----

I agree that being saved of your past sins is a one time event. However, the expectation is that your life is now dedicated to God, guided if you allow, by His Spirit. Falling back into one's pre repentant way of life will not provide one salvation in God's Kingdom.