Calvin did not invent the doctrines of grace
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The reason we must be born again is to restore the fellowship that was lost and the debt of sin.
The natural man is not equivalent to the "flesh" and Paul is not using the natural man in a pejorative manner.
As I have stated a dozen times Paul is stating human reasoning (natural man) is not the lens to understand spiritual truth.
As in we cannot use philosophy which the Greeks enjoyed to understand the things of God.
This is not a statement of condemnation, it is instructive.
It is really really horrible hermeneutics to extract a line from its surrounding text and think you have some main principle under which you subsume everything else.
The natural man is not equivalent to the "flesh" and Paul is not using the natural man in a pejorative manner.
As I have stated a dozen times Paul is stating human reasoning (natural man) is not the lens to understand spiritual truth.
As in we cannot use philosophy which the Greeks enjoyed to understand the things of God.
This is not a statement of condemnation, it is instructive.
It is really really horrible hermeneutics to extract a line from its surrounding text and think you have some main principle under which you subsume everything else.
Yes, and you've been in error over a dozen times.
It is really really horrible Hermeneutics to not realize the gospel message must harmonizes and be perceived in context. Not extrapolated and reworked so to deny all that Jesus taught regarding God's Elect because Election is unpalatable.
Those teachings of Jesus.
Not Calvin or any other. But Jesus, the Christ.
It is really really horrible Hermeneutics to not realize the gospel message must harmonizes and be perceived in context. Not extrapolated and reworked so to deny all that Jesus taught regarding God's Elect because Election is unpalatable.
Those teachings of Jesus.
Not Calvin or any other. But Jesus, the Christ.
Most Bible students know a scripture is extracted from a chapter to make a point. Especially when a Christian that does so is known to have repeatedly stated context is key. And even links whole chapters for consideration.
Your problem there is that you're wrong. You're wrong because you do not know what the unregenerate person is. Nor the natural man.
You're arguing your understanding. Not what is to be understood.
Your problem there is that you're wrong. You're wrong because you do not know what the unregenerate person is. Nor the natural man.
You're arguing your understanding. Not what is to be understood.
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Well I rather be in error becaue of the Love of God always, the God that is not willing any should perish.
You actually believe this >>> >>
All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death.” [16]
If you do I feel sorry for you, truly.
You actually believe this >>> >>
All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death.” [16]
If you do I feel sorry for you, truly.
A seeming juxtaposition of disparate views yet using the same term?
Just food for thought. I make no claims nor take sides one way or the other.
Jas 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Jas 1:18
Of his own will G1014 begat he G616 us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
2Pe 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing G1014 that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Just food for thought. I make no claims nor take sides one way or the other.
Jas 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Jas 1:18
Of his own will G1014 begat he G616 us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
2Pe 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing G1014 that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
This explains alot
we need to be born again because we are DEAD
we need to be born again because we are OUTsIDE of Gods family. And we need to be adopted, or born into Gods family
We need to be born again because of our sin debt to God. We are declared unworthy of his love
we need ot be born again because we are headed to hell. And will die the second death if we do are not justified of our debt and saved from Gods wrath
we need to be born again because we are DEAD
we need to be born again because we are OUTsIDE of Gods family. And we need to be adopted, or born into Gods family
We need to be born again because of our sin debt to God. We are declared unworthy of his love
we need ot be born again because we are headed to hell. And will die the second death if we do are not justified of our debt and saved from Gods wrath
Thats why t needs to be born again, because it is cursed by Gods law..
Gods law says “thou shalt not”
The gospel says since you did not. I have come and completed it for you. Then took your death in your place. So you could be made alive, By looking up to the cross. As the shcildren of Isreal looked up to the serpent.
Gods law says “thou shalt not”
The gospel says since you did not. I have come and completed it for you. Then took your death in your place. So you could be made alive, By looking up to the cross. As the shcildren of Isreal looked up to the serpent.
Condescension couched in false pity. 
When you laugh at proper Exegesis you are false.
I respectfully suggest hoping for Holy Spirits intercession.
It is my prayer this occur if it be the Father's will.
When you laugh at proper Exegesis you are false.
I respectfully suggest hoping for Holy Spirits intercession.
It is my prayer this occur if it be the Father's will.
You should look in the mirror my friend.
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