Revival @ Asbury?

[ResidentAlien]

"Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

A truly repentant homosexual doesn't continue to identify as a homosexual, regardless of whether they're celibate or not. God isn't mocked. If you're supposedly a Christian, and still identify as a homosexual, unfortunately you're quite deceived.

 

[JTB]

"Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

A truly repentant homosexual doesn't continue to identify as a homosexual, regardless of whether they're celibate or not. God isn't mocked. If you're supposedly a Christian, and still identify as a homosexual, unfortunately you're quite deceived.

Homosexuality is a 'work' and works do not determine your salvation. Yes there will be a consequence, but that is not the loss of salvation.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Homosexuality is a 'work' and works do not determine your salvation. Yes there will be a consequence, but that is not the loss of salvation.

That isn't true.

Galatians5:19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Thessalonians4:3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; 6 and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister. The Lord will punish all those who commit such sins, as we told you and warned you before. 7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8 Therefore, anyone who rejects this instruction does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives you his Holy Spirit.

Jude 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

So there is definite loss of salvation.

Just because YOU define homosexuality a "work" and that YOU determine that consequences for it are lax doesn't matter. It won't turn out the way you've said.

God's definition in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin and the punishment for unrepentance of this is what will actually happen. The unrepentant will face:

• the indictment of having rejected God and His Holy Spirit (who could have helped the unrepentant overcome the sin but the unrepentant loves his sin too much and doesn't want help)
• the unrepentant will not inherit the kingdom of God
• the unrepentant will suffer the punishment of eternal fire

Doesn't matter how much that unrepentant says they're Christian or how much they say they love God - they really don't love God if they are reasoning the way you do.

 

[Niki7]

The picture he tweeted of the Asbury church - if it really is his picture, is a vantage point of someone just sitting on the side in the back on the upper balcony. It's not like he's up on the stage with the Asbury leadership as if they even knew him. I think he's not affiliated with Asbury at all and just taking advantage of being inside there.

Hey ~ I appreciate your response for sure. Nothing like doing some homework

However, he is actually on the platforom at Asbury as can be seen in the video. That, is alarming and what has been referred to. He is also in the actual seminary. He states this on his feed:

Also for the snoopers, I have two accounts because I was a scared closeted teen at one time who wanted to be able to talk about my experiences. Once I came out it became my faith/sexuality ministry account which is hyper focused on that topic as opposed to my random posting here

Basically it seems he suggest gays are all over but the church doesn't know it. With all the sexual sin in church that hetros have exposed it to, no wonder more kinds of that type of sin can enter in and participate.

It's a mess.

 

[Niki7]

Homosexuality is a 'work' and works do not determine your salvation. Yes there will be a consequence, but that is not the loss of salvation.

Oh that's a new one. Doesn't seem to matter what scripture states regarding the SIN of homosexuality to some it would seem.

Honestly I could laugh at this absurd statement if the consequences were not life or death.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

...works do not determine your salvation. Yes there will be a consequence, but that is not the loss of salvation.

Correct, and the critics like to start their Scripture 'quote' with "Be not deceived"
to lead into the "loss of salvation" scenario. What is the Actual start of that verse?:

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?... "​

(1Co 6:9)​

Since God Recognizes, or Teaches that ALL sins are equal (James 2:10), there are
going to be consequences for any believer (the righteous), who also lie, cheat,
steal, etc... as well as the (singled out?) sin of homosexuality, Correct?
+
What is sorely needed for young babes in Christ, instead of 'judgment,' is
prayer for them, and to teach them God's Whole Truth, About His Free Gift Of
Eternal Life:

God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ
+
God's Eternal Assurance

Then they will hopefully be on their way out of carnality, and head toward
maturity, serving God, walking in His Spirit, out of LOVE, instead of fear of
losing some kind of (unBiblical) temporary life.

Amen?

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)! + RICH Blessings

 

[Nehemiah6]

Homosexuality is a 'work' and works do not determine your salvation. Yes there will be a consequence, but that is not the loss of salvation.

This is just a SILLY statement.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Gee I'm sorry but I take exception the this. God does what He does every single day and He does not change.

People change. God's word can be manipulated easily by those so inclined and it is the individual that must practice discernment and pay attention to the spirits at work. Not all of it is the Holy Spirit. A mix of spirits is a dangerous place to be unless prepared and knowledeable.

I probably sound full of myself to some, but really I am not. I am simply trying to pass along a warning for people who become so involved that discernment is forgotten and even a prompt in our spirit by the Holy Spirit is pushed aside.

I don't think you are old enough to remember what the real Revivals America has had in the past 50 years were even like let alone experienced them.

This stuff today is like half-time shows for sporting events.

I remember in the 1960-70s when the people didn't all have televisions, no mobile devices, computers for schools and personal use did not exist, the world was a very DIFFERENT PLACE back then compared to today.

And because we had no Distractions back then, we spent hours on our knees, elbows in the church pew you would be sitting in a couple hours later, and you and hundreds of others were Praying for the Movement of God.

And you Sought for God, you weaped for Him, you Desired Him to Move and SAVE the visitors coming for Revival. You worshipped God.

By the time Church Service began and Praise and Worship began you were Broken before God and His Spirit was there like you could really feel Him.

You have no idea what I am talking about.

 

[JTB]

That isn't true.

Galatians5:19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Thessalonians4:3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; 6 and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister. The Lord will punish all those who commit such sins, as we told you and warned you before. 7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8 Therefore, anyone who rejects this instruction does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives you his Holy Spirit.

Jude 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

So there is definite loss of salvation.

Just because YOU define homosexuality a "work" and that YOU determine that consequences for it are lax doesn't matter. It won't turn out the way you've said.

God's definition in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin and the punishment for unrepentance of this is what will actually happen. The unrepentant will face:

• the indictment of having rejected God and His Holy Spirit (who could have helped the unrepentant overcome the sin but the unrepentant loves his sin too much and doesn't want help)
• the unrepentant will not inherit the kingdom of God
• the unrepentant will suffer the punishment of eternal fire

Doesn't matter how much that unrepentant says they're Christian or how much they say they love God - they really don't love God if they are reasoning the way you do.

The Bible contains within it a whole laundry list of activities, also known as works, that disqualify us from being with God (aka 'saved'). You only have to violate one of these things to be condemned. And there's not one of us who has not violated at least one of these things. Thus, regardless of the sin, we are condemned.

Then came Jesus, who paid the price for our sins. Thru His act, we are all saved (provide we accept His sacrifice), regardless of which of the list of sins we violated. So you can't say "oh I'm saved because He cancelled out my sin, but you're not because you committed a different sin".

Salvation comes by belief in your heart and confession of your lips that Christ is Lord. That's it. Not by following the laundry list of disqualifiers, because if that is the test then we are ALL disqualified.

We are judged by our actions.

But we are saved by Christ.

It doesn't get any more complicated than that.

 

[JTB]

Oh that's a new one. Doesn't seem to matter what scripture states regarding the SIN of homosexuality to some it would seem.

Honestly I could laugh at this absurd statement if the consequences were not life or death.

See my reply to 2ndTime

 

[JTB]

Correct, and the critics like to start their Scripture 'quote' with "Be not deceived"
to lead into the "loss of salvation" scenario. What is the Actual start of that verse?:

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?... "​

(1Co 6:9)​

Since God Recognizes, or Teaches that ALL sins are equal (James 2:10), there are
going to be consequences for any believer (the righteous), who also lie, cheat,
steal, etc... as well as the (singled out?) sin of homosexuality, Correct?
+
What is sorely needed for young babes in Christ, instead of 'judgment,' is
prayer for them, and to teach them God's Whole Truth, About His Free Gift Of
Eternal Life:

God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ
+
God's Eternal Assurance

Then they will hopefully be on their way out of carnality, and head toward
maturity, serving God, walking in His Spirit, out of LOVE, instead of fear of
losing some kind of (unBiblical) temporary life.

Amen?

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)! + RICH Blessings

THIS

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

The Bible contains ... <no scriptures whatsoever to back up false claims>... complicated than that.

As a supposed Christian, you're suppose to back up what you say with scripture. But you couldn't do it because what you say and believe aren't backed up by it or by God Himself.

2 Timothy 3:14-16
You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Correct, and the critics like to start their Scripture 'quote' with "Be not deceived"
to lead into the "loss of salvation" scenario. What is the Actual start of that verse?:

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?... "​

(1Co 6:9)​

Yes the unrighteous do not inherit the kingdom of God. So you agree and are culpable then. Talk is cheap. If you live unrighteously, no amount of saying you're a Christian, talking the Christian jargon and terminology, attending church and doing "ministry" is going help you inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Niki7]

I don't think you are old enough to remember what the real Revivals America has had in the past 50 years were even like let alone experienced them.

This stuff today is like half-time shows for sporting events.

I remember in the 1960-70s when the people didn't all have televisions, no mobile devices, computers for schools and personal use did not exist, the world was a very DIFFERENT PLACE back then compared to today.

And because we had no Distractions back then, we spent hours on our knees, elbows in the church pew you would be sitting in a couple hours later, and you and hundreds of others were Praying for the Movement of God.

And you Sought for God, you weaped for Him, you Desired Him to Move and SAVE the visitors coming for Revival. You worshipped God.

By the time Church Service began and Praise and Worship began you were Broken before God and His Spirit was there like you could really feel Him.

You have no idea what I am talking about.

You have no idea what I am talking about.

Right because you can read my mind and you know everything I know and therefore I am clueless.

That entire post to initiate some sort of put down that makes you feel special. Have at it then.

 

[Niki7]

When was the edition of the sins are works Bible published?

JTB you are confused on basic Christianity and worse, you appear to want to teach your version also.

I have this version:

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous2 will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,3 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. I Cor. 6

Sin is why Jesus died for us. The unrepentant, even if confused as you appear to be, will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Right because you can read my mind and you know everything I know and therefore I am clueless.

That entire post to initiate some sort of put down that makes you feel special. Have at it then.

Not what you are thinking at all.

I wished everyone could have experienced that kind of moment where people are laboring in real anticipation for the Lost to be Saved and while they are getting Saved you are right there to witness it all during those days.

Back then, we were predicting how our current day 2020s would be like and beyond.

And I have now lived through the 80s and 90s and saw predictions fail and witnessed a real effort to reach people and 2k came and the thought process of the Church completely changed. And then people began to vote for things and they are Vile and become normal including some Churches adding weird theology towards them.

So, I saw what the Preachers during Revival was saying how the next couple Generations would turn out to be.

Those men Died in the 1970s-1980s.

But they ushered in Knowledge for me. I want Revival! That was the best Moments in life seeing what walked through the door and going back out completely different on fire immediately and were Live Wires that told their friends and it was that way for weeks until it was time to find a location where everyone could become a part as it grew.

But it was growing all throughout the Bible Belt of America.

I traveled hours to attend some of these places.

I mean You no disrespect at all. And I have read your posts and agree with several viewpoints. But I would definitely like it for you and everyone to experience that at least once in their lifetime.

 

[Joelightening]

Until this thread, I knew nothing about Asbury and a revival. I read some news articles and realized there are some real and genuine spiritual blessings happening there. I'm glad people are receiving a greater commitment to serve the Lord. I hope they become well versed in the foundational principals of Christ.

 

[Magenta]

Well in that case we DO have a VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM. Revival means repentance,
and repentance means a total repudiation of sexual perversion and deviation.

The commentator said they were celibate. The issue seems to be simply that they still call themselves gay?

 

[Nehemiah6]

The commentator said they were celibate. The issue seems to be simply that they still call themselves gay?

Does a murderer call himself a murderer if he truly repents? You can replace that with anything.

 

[Magenta]

Does a murderer call himself a murderer if he truly repents? You can replace that with anything.

Scripture calls us all sinners.