Homeschool is the solution

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ZNP

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California parent speaks out after school removes honors classes over equity Fox News Video


If you are a parent you are responsible for your kids education. If you choose to put your child into the public school it doesn't mean that they are responsible for your kids education. God has made the parents responsible.

I remember seeing some woman complaining on TV that her son was 18 and couldn't read (apparently he was an example of social promotion). She was blaming the school, but my thought was, where have you been the last 18 years? How is it that you didn't learn he couldn't read until now?

Homeschool is by far the most effective during elementary school and JHS. For the most part all you have to do is let your kids read books and there are computer programs that do a very good job of teaching elementary school math all the way through algebra. You can have your kid participate in little league sports or take Karate, and they can be a part of the church choir. Libraries have book lists by age. So if your child is reading at the 4th grade level you can get a list of books. If they get bored move up to the sixth grade level, etc. They also have books on tape so they can read along with the tape. Obviously if you can afford it you can have music lessons, tutors, etc. You can also organize this with your local church, if there were five families interested it would greatly reduce the time needed to supervise.
 

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not the easiest way, but the best way.
 

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California parent speaks out after school removes honors classes over equity Fox News Video


If you are a parent you are responsible for your kids education. If you choose to put your child into the public school it doesn't mean that they are responsible for your kids education. God has made the parents responsible.

I remember seeing some woman complaining on TV that her son was 18 and couldn't read (apparently he was an example of social promotion). She was blaming the school, but my thought was, where have you been the last 18 years? How is it that you didn't learn he couldn't read until now?

Homeschool is by far the most effective during elementary school and JHS. For the most part all you have to do is let your kids read books and there are computer programs that do a very good job of teaching elementary school math all the way through algebra. You can have your kid participate in little league sports or take Karate, and they can be a part of the church choir. Libraries have book lists by age. So if your child is reading at the 4th grade level you can get a list of books. If they get bored move up to the sixth grade level, etc. They also have books on tape so they can read along with the tape. Obviously if you can afford it you can have music lessons, tutors, etc. You can also organize this with your local church, if there were five families interested it would greatly reduce the time needed to supervise.
I want to know what today's parents do with their children during the first five years of their life. My mother taught us to read, write and count by the time we were five years old. My wife did the same. My daughter worked full time, but found the time to her children to do the same. She also taught them how to use a computer and cellphone to assist with their education and enjoy gaming with them.

Preparation is the most important parental responsibility, and all mother's should ensure that their children are prepared for school (public, private or home - parent's choice) by age five. It is dad's job to ensure that the mother has everything she needs, including time, to take on this responsibility.
 

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I want to know what today's parents do with their children during the first five years of their life. My mother taught us to read, write and count by the time we were five years old. My wife did the same. My daughter worked full time, but found the time to her children to do the same. She also taught them how to use a computer and cellphone to assist with their education and enjoy gaming with them.

Preparation is the most important parental responsibility, and all mother's should ensure that their children are prepared for school (public, private or home - parent's choice) by age five. It is dad's job to ensure that the mother has everything she needs, including time, to take on this responsibility.
This is why they have pushed promiscuity in high school, they know it will destroy the family. Single parent mothers are the biggest group of poor. Often these mothers were poorly educated, the best of them work two jobs to support their family. As a result the government wants to get their kids with early childhood programs. In this way the state raises your kids, not your parents, and they indoctrinate you with CRT, Equity, fornication and confusion. When I read the Federalists papers I found it stunning how well educated these guys were who didn't have public school compared to how incredibly poor the education is for kids in public school.

You might think that we have come a very long way for women's rights, but in America you get the rights you can afford to hire a lawyer to fight for. Don't dare get a rich girl pregnant, but a poor girl, no big deal. Another example of rules for thee and not for me.

A U.S. Census report estimates that just 43.5 percent of custodial parents get the full amount of support they're entitled to. And more than 30 percent don't receive anything at all.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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not the easiest way, but the best way.

My sister had her boys in a Christian school for several yrs. Her husband suddenly decided they couldn't afford it. I was really upset and wished I had the money to keep them in Christian school. They went into high school and both have had issues with learning and attitude change. And they are really good kids, but I saw a difference.
 

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There is a good movie called Stand and Deliver. In it, a teacher at an East L.A. high school with students who didn't know basic algebra starts a seven-week summer course to prep students for calculus. I watched it as a kid and there is a line that I'll never forget... The teacher says, "Students will rise to the level of expectations... That's all we need is 'ganas'." Ganas means "desire".

It's shocking to hear that in the same state they are now wanting to lower expectations in the name of equality.

 

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I personally know a girl who is working on her second doctorate, and has been awarded some of the most prestigious grants in the world...
she was primarily homeschooled.

I'm not the sharpest tack in the drawer, but I think a lot of us were reading college books when we were 9 or 10... and that didn't happen at school. That happened at home, around the kitchen table.


Public school is useful as long as it's useful... no more and no less.

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HealthAndHappiness

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It's easy to just blame the teachers, but parents really should determine who their children are around and hang out with until they are on their own. If I had children, they would not be around the druggies, the bullies or any who would lead them astray. They certainly would not be around these violent entitled criminals.

Here's an example of an out of control violent 6'6" 270 pound teenager who likely gave his teacher's aid a very serious traumatic brain injury. Parents should be aware of this possibility. I've seen a lot of violence first hand and have had to deal with these types of attacks. Be advised to not watch if you don't want to see a common occurrence in many public High Schools, colleges and neighborhoods.


"Video: High School Student Brutally Pummels Teacher’s Assistant After She Confiscates Nintendo Switch

A Florida teen’s vicious attack of a teacher’s aide for confiscating his gaming device is stirring outrage after footage of the brutal assault surfaced this week.
The incident happened Tuesday at Matanzas High School in Palm Beach, where security cameras filmed as the special needs boy socked the aide square in the face knocking her unconscious before proceeding to mercilessly pummel her limp body."
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I'll leave everyone with this positive note.

I found this list of 60 Homeschooling YouTube channels. There is a brief description with each one. I can't endorse any particular channels because I'm not homeschooling or watching them. I'll leave that to your discernment. It looks like there are plenty of ways to learn how to get started, or to see if it's right for you.
Have a good weekend!
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60 YouTube Homeschool Channels
 

ZNP

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Washington State Teacher ‘Says the Quiet Part Out Loud’ on Parental Rights in Education

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/02...eed-protect-students-christo-fascist-parents/

A high school teacher in Washington state suggested that schools should hide information about children from their parents, because kids “are not safe in this nation from their Christo-fascist parents.”

Kelly Love, who appears in Auburn School District’s directory as “Karen Love,” a teacher at Auburn High School, made the claim Thursday on Twitter.

Love had responded to a tweet that in turn was a reply to Nicole Neily, founder and president of Parents Defending Education.

“It’s impossible for parents to protect their children and make informed decisions about their welfare when schools are withholding critical information,” Neily tweeted. “It’s time this condescending behavior by school districts end.”


Things may change in the next five to six years, but presently no parent of an elementary school kid should be trying to convince themselves that they can work with the Board of Education. These changes take years, you have to get the information to voters, then you have to have elections, change the makeup and you will be paddling upstream against donors with millions of dollars who have an agenda to take control of your children.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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My sister had her boys in a Christian school for several yrs. Her husband suddenly decided they couldn't afford it. I was really upset and wished I had the money to keep them in Christian school. They went into high school and both have had issues with learning and attitude change. And they are really good kids, but I saw a difference.

That's terrible! I wish they had just cut back on stuff and keep their kids in Christian school. High school age is the wrong time to put them through such drastic changes.

Also, couldn't it have been possible to homeschool them through their high school years instead? I know that there are online public high schools now.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Washington State Teacher ‘Says the Quiet Part Out Loud’ on Parental Rights in Education

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/02...eed-protect-students-christo-fascist-parents/

A high school teacher in Washington state suggested that schools should hide information about children from their parents, because kids “are not safe in this nation from their Christo-fascist parents.”

Kelly Love, who appears in Auburn School District’s directory as “Karen Love,” a teacher at Auburn High School, made the claim Thursday on Twitter.

Love had responded to a tweet that in turn was a reply to Nicole Neily, founder and president of Parents Defending Education.

“It’s impossible for parents to protect their children and make informed decisions about their welfare when schools are withholding critical information,” Neily tweeted. “It’s time this condescending behavior by school districts end.”

Things may change in the next five to six years, but presently no parent of an elementary school kid should be trying to convince themselves that they can work with the Board of Education. These changes take years, you have to get the information to voters, then you have to have elections, change the makeup and you will be paddling upstream against donors with millions of dollars who have an agenda to take control of your children.
I ran into a mother in the store recently who asked me to run for public office. She and I went to church together for a long time. She was on the public BOE while her girls were in middle school. I never ran because my experience has been such that I see much more results from answers to prayer and reaching others with the gospel and great commission than what campaigning for a candidate has brought. I have seen important victories and miracles by God's grace in the political realm, by campaigning, (and prayer), but I put no confidence in the flesh by turning a bad system good. I know she worked hard and was the kind of person I would want to impact the schools. She was but one person of many who were trying to influence that board.
 

ZNP

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That's terrible! I wish they had just cut back on stuff and keep their kids in Christian school. High school age is the wrong time to put them through such drastic changes.

Also, couldn't it have been possible to homeschool them through their high school years instead? I know that there are online public high schools now.
Several things people don't know about Homeschool

1. The cost is minimal. You can pull books from the library, there are free online programs that teach courses, etc.

2. There are other sources of socialization -- Church choir, Little League, Music lessons, Karate, etc.

3. You are required to have a certain number of hours of instruction per week, but it doesn't have to be 9-5, so you can set up their school schedule for when you are available. I homeschooled while I had a full time job.

4. No homeschool is accredited, so if you homeschool in High school they will not get an accredited HS diploma. However, this will probably not have a negative effect on college admission.

For example in NYC you need to pass 7 Regents exams to get an advanced degree. So during your HS you could prepare the kids for these 7 exams and there are plenty of books that completely prepare them for the exam. I would not use them as the sole textbooks, but if they are reading books on the subject those books would help them be fully prepared (they also have over 30 practice exams from previous years available online and in these books). So if your HS student passed those 7 exams plus the SAT the colleges would look at that.

Since I only know NY let me use them as an example. There are two History regents exams, the absolute best way to prepare for those would be to read books on both world history and US history. I suspect that if your child read 20 books on both world history and US history they would be far better prepared than any public school kids. Then you get them the books on those two regents exams to review two months before the exam.

Likewise with the English exam, the 40 history books your child read plus another 20 books off of a list provided by your local library would be far better preparation. Also what I did with my children is if they wanted to see a movie that was coming out I required them to read the book first.

(As a rule the children could read one 500 page book a week, or 50 books a year or 200 books over 4 years. I assign about half and the other half they get to choose. Often the books will be 250-300 pages in which case they are to read two a week. So in the end they would probably read 300 books.)

Science has two exams, Living Environment, and Earth Science, though we also have Chemistry and Physics as well. As a rule it is not easy to find compelling reading in these subjects as easily as it is to find books for literature or history. Still you can get a few, so let's say 10 books each (that is 80 books of 200-300 they will need to read). Often they are college level, so you may want to wait until 11th grade. But what you will find are great Youtube videos. When I taught Chemistry I discovered a set of videos that covered the entire curriculum with 15 minute lessons on Youtube. I was also able to buy entire courses from award winning teachers for less than $100. So it is your call, if you want the children to teach themselves I'd wait till 11th grade, if you are going to supervise then you can start in 9th grade.

This leaves math and there are two exams they need to pass there as well. There are computer programs that teach math, some are great, some are poor. But the poor ones provide you with a complete curriculum of lessons, you would simply need to teach them or hire a tutor. The great ones pretty much do it all for you. There are also extensive videos teaching all these subjects on Youtube with excellent videos. So if you do not feel capable of teaching the math classes it is probably the one subject you will need to hire someone.

My recommendation is to get a good program that the kids can work through, then hire a student tutor at $15 an hour to work through with your child. There are teachers who will tutor but they usually charge $100 an hour or more and to be fair what really differentiates a professional teacher from a student who knows the material is the ability to prepare lessons (your program will do that) and the ability to manage a class of 35 (not an issue if it is one on one tutoring).

Here is the good news about homeschooling, the children only need to spend 4 hours a day reading the books and that is only five days a week and there is no homework. So you can easily spend two hours a day on math if necessary, one hour preparing and then one hour tutorial. That would work out to $2,000 a year and it would only be necessary if your child is really, really struggling at math and for such a student one on one tutoring is probably the best. Today you can do that tutoring online so it really becomes easy and convenient.
 

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Several things people don't know about Homeschool

1. The cost is minimal. You can pull books from the library, there are free online programs that teach courses, etc.

2. There are other sources of socialization -- Church choir, Little League, Music lessons, Karate, etc.

3. You are required to have a certain number of hours of instruction per week, but it doesn't have to be 9-5, so you can set up their school schedule for when you are available. I homeschooled while I had a full time job.

4. No homeschool is accredited, so if you homeschool in High school they will not get an accredited HS diploma. However, this will probably not have a negative effect on college admission.

For example in NYC you need to pass 7 Regents exams to get an advanced degree. So during your HS you could prepare the kids for these 7 exams and there are plenty of books that completely prepare them for the exam. I would not use them as the sole textbooks, but if they are reading books on the subject those books would help them be fully prepared (they also have over 30 practice exams from previous years available online and in these books). So if your HS student passed those 7 exams plus the SAT the colleges would look at that.

Since I only know NY let me use them as an example. There are two History regents exams, the absolute best way to prepare for those would be to read books on both world history and US history. I suspect that if your child read 20 books on both world history and US history they would be far better prepared than any public school kids. Then you get them the books on those two regents exams to review two months before the exam.

Likewise with the English exam, the 40 history books your child read plus another 20 books off of a list provided by your local library would be far better preparation. Also what I did with my children is if they wanted to see a movie that was coming out I required them to read the book first.

(As a rule the children could read one 500 page book a week, or 50 books a year or 200 books over 4 years. I assign about half and the other half they get to choose. Often the books will be 250-300 pages in which case they are to read two a week. So in the end they would probably read 300 books.)

Science has two exams, Living Environment, and Earth Science, though we also have Chemistry and Physics as well. As a rule it is not easy to find compelling reading in these subjects as easily as it is to find books for literature or history. Still you can get a few, so let's say 10 books each (that is 80 books of 200-300 they will need to read). Often they are college level, so you may want to wait until 11th grade. But what you will find are great Youtube videos. When I taught Chemistry I discovered a set of videos that covered the entire curriculum with 15 minute lessons on Youtube. I was also able to buy entire courses from award winning teachers for less than $100. So it is your call, if you want the children to teach themselves I'd wait till 11th grade, if you are going to supervise then you can start in 9th grade.

This leaves math and there are two exams they need to pass there as well. There are computer programs that teach math, some are great, some are poor. But the poor ones provide you with a complete curriculum of lessons, you would simply need to teach them or hire a tutor. The great ones pretty much do it all for you. There are also extensive videos teaching all these subjects on Youtube with excellent videos. So if you do not feel capable of teaching the math classes it is probably the one subject you will need to hire someone.

My recommendation is to get a good program that the kids can work through, then hire a student tutor at $15 an hour to work through with your child. There are teachers who will tutor but they usually charge $100 an hour or more and to be fair what really differentiates a professional teacher from a student who knows the material is the ability to prepare lessons (your program will do that) and the ability to manage a class of 35 (not an issue if it is one on one tutoring).

Here is the good news about homeschooling, the children only need to spend 4 hours a day reading the books and that is only five days a week and there is no homework. So you can easily spend two hours a day on math if necessary, one hour preparing and then one hour tutorial. That would work out to $2,000 a year and it would only be necessary if your child is really, really struggling at math and for such a student one on one tutoring is probably the best. Today you can do that tutoring online so it really becomes easy and convenient.

Great resources!

Here's one! This is an organization called OpenStax that provides FREE College Textbooks and some AP Textbooks for High School Students:

OpenStax
https://openstax.org

I've finished university quite a while back but I wanted to refresh myself on the subjects I used to study. It has really fantastic Math and Science textbooks! But it has plenty of other useful categories as well. I basically downloaded all the textbooks to read at leisure.

I think these textbooks will come in real useful for high school students if they are planning to go to university some day.

You can also get educational books/textbooks from Archive.org which is a non-profit digital library. Wide selection of books (and other stuff) that you can borrow if you can't afford to buy them. Most of the time, you can borrow a book for 14 days, but some of the more popular books might allow you to just borrow them for one hour at a time though. However, they oftentimes have several copies, so if one particular book is already borrowed, you can find other copies.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Great resources!

Here's one! This is an organization called OpenStax that provides FREE College Textbooks and some AP Textbooks for High School Students:

OpenStax
https://openstax.org

I've finished university quite a while back but I wanted to refresh myself on the subjects I used to study. It has really fantastic Math and Science textbooks! But it has plenty of other useful categories as well. I basically downloaded all the textbooks to read at leisure.

I think these textbooks will come in real useful for high school students if they are planning to go to university some day.

You can also get educational books/textbooks from Archive.org which is a non-profit digital library. Wide selection of books (and other stuff) that you can borrow if you can't afford to buy them. Most of the time, you can borrow a book for 14 days, but some of the more popular books might allow you to just borrow them for one hour at a time though. However, they oftentimes have several copies, so if one particular book is already borrowed, you can find other copies.
At the university, each class required text books and we were told that we needed to purchase the newest addition, so the previous years were supposed to be outdated and of no benefit. Some science text books were over $100 a piece plus the lab manuals and over priced lab fees. I wish I had something like Archive.org available when I earned my first degree. It would have saved me many thousands.
 
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When I read the Federalists papers I found it stunning how well educated these guys were who didn't have public school compared to how incredibly poor the education is for kids in public school.
Was not their diction and sentence structure strikingly sophisticated, especially when you compare them to the Waterses or the AOCs of the country? They'd run rings around today's politicians.
 

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Wow! I would pull my kid out of there so fast!
Most people out there don't realize that everyone colors their teaching with personal experiences and religious/ philosophical beliefs. I readily admit to new students that I am a Christian, so I have a Biblical world view. I've met teachers who were Taoist, Buddhist, Pagan, etc. Most know that parents would object and it could cost them their jobs. Now is a time of great acceptance of wickedness in western societies. The witches are out of the broom closet 🧹 and the Satanists want to convert children into their own images. One look at that freak and any parent who loves their child would remove him from that school.