I'm not saying there weren't Gentiles in the OT who came to know God. But even Jesus in His earthly ministry went to the sheep of the house of Israel. It wasn't until after His death and resurrection that the emphasis changed.
Calvin did not invent the doctrines of grace
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That was the most effective way to bring the Savior and the Gospel to the world. As a matter of fact, God chose one man -- Abraham. Why? Because Abraham believed God and it was imputed to him for righteousness.
I agree. I'm just intrigued that those who say God doesn't choose people in the NT seem to have no problem that God did choose in the OT.
My interest isn't election vs freewill , but if people see this as a consistent line of reasoning.
It is sad you do not understand.
Romans 10 does not prove me wrong.. without the words of God, the holy wpirit and the work of God. romans 10 would be null and void.
If you think you of your own power came to faith. well then good luck to you. Me? I give credit to God..
and no this is not a calvinist thing, this is just reality..
A calvinist believes we are born again first. then we come to faith
That is not what I believe.. I believe we are all held to an account of whether we believe or not
He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already
the emphasis changed because the things of God were taken from Israel because of her unbelief, and given to the NT church. Israel was the OT church
The emphasis changed because God was focusing on the whole world and not primarily Israel.
Why is it so hard to accept that evangelism wasn't God's focus concerning Israel?
I think I see where your going with this, My apologies
God chose Israel for a purpose. He did not chose them for salvation. they still had to chose to receive salvation themselves.
Its no different than the NT really. He did not chose the church for salvation. Not everyone who claims to be part of the church is saved, they must chose also..
I offer the following for clarification only...
Let's say you want to buy a new car. It is within your ability to purchase a car and you can choose to do so.
So you go to a car dealership. You look at a number of cars and choose the most expensive car on the lot. You fill out the paperwork and there is no bank that is willing to loan the money.
You had the freedom to choose any. But you couldn't qualify for all.
If your rich brother were to co-sign or purchase the the vehicle outright, you would be qualified for all.
No apologies ever necessary. I always enjoy the exchange of ideas so long as it's not personal.
I've learned alot from people here, including yourself.
I like that. Jesus is willing to step in and cosign for any man. His offer goes out to all.
He paid with his own blood.. Sadly some still think they can get the loan on their own.. and do not realize the car they got is a junker that is not worth anything, while they think it is the best car money could buy
It's sad. So much corruption of Jesus doctrine that he bled and died to seal in covenant with him for all eternity.
It's simple truth. Yet, with the introduction of denominationalism that very first time, men corrupted that simple truth to introduce fear and insecurity to overshadow eternal irrevocable salvation by God and his grace.
Sad. Very, very sad.
It's simple truth. Yet, with the introduction of denominationalism that very first time, men corrupted that simple truth to introduce fear and insecurity to overshadow eternal irrevocable salvation by God and his grace.
Sad. Very, very sad.
I love the co-sign symbology. Since Jesus paid to cosign with his own blood. It is his salvation. it is not the one who received it.. As such, the person who recieved it has no say in the matter, He can;t give it away, its not his to give away, He is dependent on the cosigner, who pays daily with his blood to forgive the sins of the one who is saved..
The portion you quoted was part of a series of posts and was directed to a particular individual and dealing with the subject of evangelism in OT Israel. This singular portion doesn't reflect the tenor of the entire discussion.
As far as ignoring other nations, the content of the Bible itself reflects the truth that God dealt with Israel to the neglect of other nations, and includes them only in relation to Israel. Or did I miss the Chronicles of Ethiopia?
I understand what the conversation is about. This part of it started with you asking our thoughts (I am paraphrasing here) on God ignoring other nations. Some are saying God did not ignore them by virtue of the fact that He chose Abraham and Abraham's line (Israel) through whom Jesus Christ would come. In fact, Israel was often (oh, I cannot think of the right word here 0h! I got it LOL) instrumental in conquering and/or bringing an end to some of those nations through God's leading. He was not ignoring them. That is all_
Except to say, perhaps you meant something else? _
