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I_am_Canadian

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ok guys got a question,

If you were going to go back to school, would take a course starting in May knowing that handling alcohol is manditory, even though you do not have to drink or serve it, or would you wait until September and take a different course
 

Lynx

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What kind of class is this?

Also, do you have a history with alcohol? That makes a BIG difference. Someone who has never been drunk would find it repulsive. It stinks a lot. A recovering alcoholic would find it very tempting.
 

JohnDB

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ok guys got a question,

If you were going to go back to school, would take a course starting in May knowing that handling alcohol is manditory, even though you do not have to drink or serve it, or would you wait until September and take a different course
Alcohol use has been going on for thousands of years. Abuse for almost as long. It's antibacterial function is widely known and useful.
It also has great cleaning functions with woodwork and grease cutting when used with dish detergent.

Alcohol will dissolve in water as well as oils. Which is why it's so effective for lia-ing flavors of spices and herbs.

So, I use Alcohol regularly in food and cleaning and in an antibacterial manner.

And every motor vehicle burns it as fuel in addition to gasoline.

So exactly what is your hesitation?

The Alcohol itself or people who abuse it or are you worried that you will abuse it due to a lack of personal discipline?
 

tourist

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#4
ok guys got a question,

If you were going to go back to school, would take a course starting in May knowing that handling alcohol is mandatory, even though you do not have to drink or serve it, or would you wait until September and take a different course
I would take the course in May. The world is what it is and do your best with the resources that God has provided.
 

tourist

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Alcohol use has been going on for thousands of years. Abuse for almost as long. It's antibacterial function is widely known and useful.
It also has great cleaning functions with woodwork and grease cutting when used with dish detergent.

Alcohol will dissolve in water as well as oils. Which is why it's so effective for lia-ing flavors of spices and herbs.

So, I use Alcohol regularly in food and cleaning and in an antibacterial manner.

And every motor vehicle burns it as fuel in addition to gasoline.

So exactly what is your hesitation?

The Alcohol itself or people who abuse it or are you worried that you will abuse it due to a lack of personal discipline?
All good points and questions.
 

I_am_Canadian

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What kind of class is this?

Also, do you have a history with alcohol? That makes a BIG difference. Someone who has never been drunk would find it repulsive. It stinks a lot. A recovering alcoholic would find it very tempting.
Yeah, I got drunk in my grandma's basement 3 times before I realized alcohol would ruin my life, this being before I got saved.

In Brant housing A guy was walking across the parking lot with a beer in one hand and a Roman candle in the other and launched the Roman candle in my direction.
 

I_am_Canadian

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Alcohol use has been going on for thousands of years. Abuse for almost as long. It's antibacterial function is widely known and useful.
It also has great cleaning functions with woodwork and grease cutting when used with dish detergent.

Alcohol will dissolve in water as well as oils. Which is why it's so effective for lia-ing flavors of spices and herbs.

So, I use Alcohol regularly in food and cleaning and in an antibacterial manner.

And every motor vehicle burns it as fuel in addition to gasoline.

So exactly what is your hesitation?

The Alcohol itself or people who abuse it or are you worried that you will abuse it due to a lack of personal discipline?
My concern is the moral aspect of preparing drinks served to people who make bad descisíons when intoxicated.
 

Lynx

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My concern is the moral aspect of preparing drinks served to people who make bad descisíons when intoxicated.
Ah, that's an equine of a different hue...

Yeah that might be slightly morally ambiguous. I certainly wouldn't take the job.

How does this factor into the classes you will take? Would you need to take a bartender job in order to pay for taking the classes now? If you wait and take the classes later, you will not need to serve drinks to pay for it?
 

I_am_Canadian

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Ah, that's an equine of a different hue...

Yeah that might be slightly morally ambiguous. I certainly wouldn't take the job.

How does this factor into the classes you will take? Would you need to take a bartender job in order to pay for taking the classes now? If you wait and take the classes later, you will not need to serve drinks to pay for it?
Yeah, because preparing alcoholic drinks is a course in the program and is mandatory part of the curriculum according to the Minister of Colleges and Universities.

So learning to identify drinks. In a secular non Christian school.

Well the choice is to take the Hotel and Resort Operations Management program in May, which requires being around alcohol.

Or wait till September to take the Tourism course, ànd fit in a couple courses like hotel room pricing and kitchen management as general interest courses.

Either way I don't believe their is any way to get off ODSP without starting my own business where I can live on site.

Both have business management built into them, one would license me directly as a hotel and resort operator. The other would be like becoming a travel agent with some hotel and kitchen experience by adding key courses as general interest programs.
 

JohnDB

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My concern is the moral aspect of preparing drinks served to people who make bad descisíons when intoxicated.
Okay,
I read all of the replies to where this will get posted.

Part of alcoholic beverage training is to watch the customers to ensure that you do not serve them if they are even close to being inebriated...because YOU are legally liable and responsible if they get a DUI or a wreck while driving drunk. Yeah....serious business....you don't ever serve anyone that is tipsy. You can't afford the fallout. Even if they claim to have a designated driver.

Usually the limit is 2 drinks for the big guy and one for the ladies or small guys....with dinner.
You aren't a bar...you are going to work in a restaurant that serves drinks/wine with food. The old clichés have been gone since the '90's. And if the restaurant you work in doesn't want to follow the law....GET GONE....jobs are a dime a dozen.

But all that being said....there are functions of drinks with food....to increase appetite or aide in digestion or make the good, rich food taste better.

I cook a LOT with wine and liquors....don't drink much but I will on rare occasion. I don't have time or temperament to drink much....plus the hangovers at my age really suck.

A "perfect Manhattan" doesn't mean a normal one without it dripping down the side of the glass. A Cranberry Kir-Royale is a great before dinner drink that makes you ravenous.

Wine, dine, route 9.....

Schmooze em, Booze em, and lose em. That's how you make money waiting tables....practice being sycophantic know it all.
 

Magenta

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What kind of class is this?

Also, do you have a history with alcohol? That makes a BIG difference. Someone who has never
been drunk would find it repulsive. It stinks a lot. A recovering alcoholic would find it very tempting.
Not necessarily to your last statement. ;) As a recover/ing/ed alcoholic, I have never had a problem
being around people drinking while I was abstaining. Even in my early years, when I still hung
out with friends who drank daily and we went to bars to sing karaoke
. :D Know your limits. :)
 

Lynx

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Not necessarily to your last statement. ;) As a recover/ing/ed alcoholic, I have never had a problem
being around people drinking while I was abstaining. Even in my early years, when I still hung
out with friends who drank daily and we went to bars to sing karaoke
. :D Know your limits. :)
My limit is smelling it. Makes me gag.

As a side effect, the smell of hand sanitizer also makes me gag. The last three years have been a bit rough on my nose.
 

gb9

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My limit is smelling it. Makes me gag.

As a side effect, the smell of hand sanitizer also makes me gag. The last three years have been a bit rough on my nose.
during the pandemic, i used hand sanitizer made by a company that also made vodka.,

i used it because it was cheap. ( about $6 for a liter). and strong.

and it stank. bad.

the smell only lasted a couple on minutes, but it was bad for those couple of minutes..
 

I_am_Canadian

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Okay,
I read all of the replies to where this will get posted.

Part of alcoholic beverage training is to watch the customers to ensure that you do not serve them if they are even close to being inebriated...because YOU are legally liable and responsible if they get a DUI or a wreck while driving drunk. Yeah....serious business....you don't ever serve anyone that is tipsy. You can't afford the fallout. Even if they claim to have a designated driver.

Usually the limit is 2 drinks for the big guy and one for the ladies or small guys....with dinner.
You aren't a bar...you are going to work in a restaurant that serves drinks/wine with food. The old clichés have been gone since the '90's. And if the restaurant you work in doesn't want to follow the law....GET GONE....jobs are a dime a dozen.

But all that being said....there are functions of drinks with food....to increase appetite or aide in digestion or make the good, rich food taste better.

I cook a LOT with wine and liquors....don't drink much but I will on rare occasion. I don't have time or temperament to drink much....plus the hangovers at my age really suck.

A "perfect Manhattan" doesn't mean a normal one without it dripping down the side of the glass. A Cranberry Kir-Royale is a great before dinner drink that makes you ravenous.

Wine, dine, route 9.....

Schmooze em, Booze em, and lose em. That's how you make money waiting tables....practice being sycophantic know it all.
Thank but its a course as part of the Hotel and Resort Operations Management course in a public college, and the cirriculum is mandated by the minister of colleges and university.
 

JohnDB

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Thank but its a course as part of the Hotel and Resort Operations Management course in a public college, and the cirriculum is mandated by the minister of colleges and university.
They should be going over all the controls for liquor and wine. Profit margins and etc. As well as intoxication regulations.

EVERY course teaches these two things in the North American continent. Including Canada. Because if you are management you are responsible for teaching staff.

Food service/hotel, hospitality pays decent....but usually are a lot of hard work. Just saying.
 

I_am_Canadian

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They should be going over all the controls for liquor and wine. Profit margins and etc. As well as intoxication regulations.

EVERY course teaches these two things in the North American continent. Including Canada. Because if you are management you are responsible for teaching staff.

Food service/hotel, hospitality pays decent....but usually are a lot of hard work. Just saying.
Well I have no intentions of serving alcohol, so I decided to take tourism in the fall and add hotel room pricing and kitchen management as general interest courses.

Came to that conclusion after reading Ecclesiastes chapters 4 and 5
 

Lanolin

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Bit late to table but I would have gone for tourism course.

It reminds me when offered job in council landscape maintainence and they said I would have to spray weedkiller/roundup with gro safe certificate and I said no way, am not doing that. It goes against everything I learned in gardening.

Sometimes you have to take a stand and not be co opted into doing dangerous and harmful things just to make a buck.
 

I_am_Canadian

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Bit late to table but I would have gone for tourism course.

It reminds me when offered job in council landscape maintainence and they said I would have to spray weedkiller/roundup with gro safe certificate and I said no way, am not doing that. It goes against everything I learned in gardening.

Sometimes you have to take a stand and not be co opted into doing dangerous and harmful things just to make a buck.
Well I read Ecclesiastes 4 and 5.
I did end up going with Tourism.
 

maxwel

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I don't really see this as an ethics issue.

But it could be an issue of personal conviction.
If you pray about a thing, and get counsel, and it still bothers you after all that... then you shouldn't do it.

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