Salvation is for the Whole World

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rogerg said:
[1Jo 5:4 KJV] 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.
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Just because one is told or think they are born again doesn't make it truth. I say its the blind guides who assure others-you are saved--he doesn't know.
 
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aa31000 said:
There are many false religions serving false gods , Satan is posing as all the false gods. 99% of all religion claiming to be christian do not listen to Jesus let alone obey him.
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You're obviously not comprehending the verse I posted. Natural (unsaved) man CANNOT comprehend things spiritual and therefore
of themselves will never be able to come to a true knowledge or faith in Christ - no matter what.
 
rogerg said:
No, he wasn't.
Based upon what you've said about Saul, it is apparent that you know neither the Bible nor its gospel.
Salvation by Christ was always "in effect". There was never any time when it wasn't, nor was there ever any other way to salvation. Following the laws/rituals of the Jewish religion salvation could bring salvation to anyone and were anathema to God because they were based upon man's works not Christ's. Everyone, from OT through NT, were saved the exactly the same way - by Christ alone. The Jewish religion found no favor with God. At its best, it could only serve as a symbol of the true but was not itself the true. The Jews
could not comprehend that and trusted in it for salvation thereby brining the wrath of God upon themselves.

[Eze 20:25 KJV]
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

[Heb 10:4, 6 KJV]
4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. ...
6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
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The Israelite spiritual teachers were strict followers of the law. They did make an exception on the night Jesus was arrested, A man had 7 days to build a defense from the day he was arrested or accused. They tried Jesus the first night. There main problem was a haughty heart, they lacked love. They looked down on the flock. No way a mere carpenters son was gonna tell them their errors. They expected a mighty king to show up and destroy the Romans. That was false reasoning on their part.
 
rogerg said:
You're obviously not comprehending the verse I posted. Natural (unsaved) man CANNOT comprehend things spiritual and therefore
of themselves will never be able to come to a true knowledge or faith in Christ - no matter what.
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No one is saved in reality until they have endured until their end. Matt 10:22-- Endure what? Living now to do Jesus Fathers will over their own will( Matt 7:21)in this satan ruled system.
 
aa31000 said:
Ever since the fall in Eden-99% mislead, the only time that may be a little smaller is when Israel stood strong. But they fell over and over. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26)
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Do you have a source that says 99% or are you the source? And if you are the source, what do you base your particular number on?
 
aa31000 said:
The Israelite spiritual teachers were strict followers of the law. They did make an exception on the night Jesus was arrested, A man had 7 days to build a defense from the day he was arrested or accused. They tried Jesus the first night. There main problem was a haughty heart, they lacked love. They looked down on the flock. No way a mere carpenters son was gonna tell them their errors. They expected a mighty king to show up and destroy the Romans. That was false reasoning on their part.
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All of natural man's reasoning is faulty but until and unless born-again, it cannot change. However, the Jewish religion, and Saul
was a part of it, never pleased God, so Saul's actions while in his role as a Pharisee were absolutely of no benefit to Saul as far his standing with God was concerned.
 
aa31000 said:
No one is saved in reality until they have endured until their end. Matt 10:22-- Endure what? Living now to do Jesus Fathers will over their own will( Matt 7:21)in this satan ruled system.
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They weren't sent away because of disobedience. They were sent away because He never knew them...Matt 7:23.
Their disobedience was merely the evidence that He didn't know them.

Eternal life is knowing God and Jesus...John 17:3.
 
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aa31000 said:
No one is saved in reality until they have endured until their end. Matt 10:22-- Endure what? Living now to do Jesus Fathers will over their own will( Matt 7:21)in this satan ruled system.
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I don't understand your point. Did I say anyone should not do the Father's will? I never said anything like that. What I said
is that it should not be used to try to become saved, but only done as a result of salvation.
 
Cameron143 said:
Do you have a source that says 99% or are you the source? And if you are the source, what do you base your particular number on?
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Jesus comparing these last days to Noahs day proves it. He as well taught-FEW will find the road that leads off into life.
 
rogerg said:
All of natural man's reasoning is faulty but until and unless born-again, it cannot change. However, the Jewish religion, and Saul
was a part of it, never pleased God, so Saul's actions while in his role as a Pharisee were absolutely of no benefit to Saul as far his standing with God was concerned.
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Saul hated christians, he lead groups to their homes and dragged them outside and had them beaten and arrested. Very zealous, So Jesus turned that zealousness to work for him instead of against him. To this day the Israelite religion believe they are Gods chosen and Jesus was not the Messiah.
 
Cameron143 said:
They weren't sent away because of disobedience. They were sent away because He never knew them...Matt 7:23.
Their disobedience was merely the evidence that He didn't know them.

Eternal life is knowing God and Jesus...John 17:3.
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A worker of iniquity is one who practices a sin. So yes it was disobedience.
 
aa31000 said:
Jesus comparing these last days to Noahs day proves it. He as well taught-FEW will find the road that leads off into life.
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Are you positive that you are on the right track? Your posts are giving the opposite impression. So let's get down to the most fundamental Bible truth. Do you believe that Jesus is God? YES or NO.
 
rogerg said:
No, he wasn't.
Based upon what you've said about Saul, it is apparent that you know neither the Bible nor its gospel.
Salvation by Christ was always "in effect". There was never any time when it wasn't, nor was there ever any other way to salvation. Following the laws/rituals of the Jewish religion could never bring salvation to anyone and were anathema to God because they were based upon man's works not Christ's. Everyone, from OT through NT, were saved the exactly the same way - by Christ alone. The Jewish religion found no favor with God. At its best, it could only serve as a symbol of the true but was not itself the true. The Jews
could not comprehend that and trusted in it for salvation thereby brining the wrath of God upon themselves.

[Eze 20:25 KJV]
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

[Heb 10:4, 6 KJV]
4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. ...
6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
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Tell me, was Saul a Pharisee who had one of the top teachers concerning the Law?

If Saul had this Education, does that mean Paul did not?
 
aa31000 said:
Saul hated christians, he lead groups to their homes and dragged them outside and had them beaten and arrested. Very zealous, So Jesus turned that zealousness to work for him instead of against him. To this day the Israelite religion believe they are Gods chosen and Jesus was not the Messiah.
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I think that can agree with most of that. I might question the "made it work for him" part, depending upon how you meant it, because
I think when God saves someone He also changes their inner core being giving them a new spirit, a new heart and a new mind.
 
rogerg said:
I don't understand your point. Did I say anyone should not do the Father's will? I never said anything like that. What I said
is that it should not be used to try to become saved, but only done as a result of salvation.
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Few listen to Jesus and do his Fathers will. Do you think you know his Fathers will? Jesus summed that will up in a single teaching--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study, it never stops. And they must learn Gods truth. Much of the bible is disguised in symbolism. One must be taught by the teachers Jesus appointed. these-Matt 24:45--Because God only accepts to be worshipped in spirit and truth( John 4:22-24)
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Are you positive that you are on the right track? Your posts are giving the opposite impression. So let's get down to the most fundamental Bible truth. Do you believe that Jesus is God? YES or NO.
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Jesus answered that already-John 20:17, Rev 3:12
 
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