Salvation is for the Whole World

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Cameron143

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Imagine a gift being placed on a conveyor. There is a switch that needs to be turned on for the gift to reach the recipient. Who can reach the switch?

If you the believe only the giver, you believe one way. If you believe the receiver, you believe the other way.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Imagine a gift being placed on a conveyor. There is a switch that needs to be turned on for the gift to reach the recipient. Who can reach the switch?

If you the believe only the giver, you believe one way. If you believe the receiver, you believe the other way.
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But still when the Giver pushes the button on the belt and it begins moving towards the receiver and the gift comes to the receiver, doesn't the receiver need to take it off the belt to officially Accept the Gift?
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
But still when the Giver pushes the button on the belt and it begins moving towards the receiver and the gift comes to the receiver, doesn't the receiver need to take it off the belt to officially Accept the Gift?
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Oh OK. You complicated the example. I'll try another. Give me a minute.
 
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There is a gift so great and valuable that whoever sees it they will take it. It is in a dark room and can only be found if the light is turned on. There is a switch on the wall that turns on the light.

If you believe only the creator of the room can reach the light, you believe one way. If you believe anyone who enters the room can turn on the light, you believe another way.
 
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rogerg said:
None of unsaved can hear or see spiritually:

[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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99% of all the religions claiming to be christian-arent in reality--they do not listen to Jesus. They teach little of what he actually taught, thus one cannot obey what they do not know. They remain blinded.
 
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[Heb 7:25 KJV] 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
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You cant even understand what you posted there. --come unto God by him( Jesus)= 2 beings spoken of there-1 is God-1 is Jesus--there is only 1 God.
 
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Cameron143 said:
There is a gift so great and valuable that whoever sees it they will take it. It is in a dark room and can only be found if the light is turned on. There is a switch on the wall that turns on the light.

If you believe only the creator of the room can reach the light, you believe one way. If you believe anyone who enters the room can turn on the light, you believe another way.
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Yeah, this one is better at conveying the point.

But it still comes down with the EXCHANGE...you can't take Salvation from God to make it your own (< that's one example of EXCHANGE)...
God can't shove it down your throat and demand you take it either.

Somewhere an EXCHANGE where a Covenant is made and Agreed upon.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Yeah, this one is better at conveying the point.

But it still comes down with the EXCHANGE...you can't take Salvation from God to make it your own (< that's one example of EXCHANGE)...
God can't shove it down your throat and demand you take it either.

Somewhere an EXCHANGE where a Covenant is made and Agreed upon.
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Can covenants be made unilaterally?
 
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You cant even understand what you posted there. --come unto God by him( Jesus)= 2 beings spoken of there-1 is God-1 is Jesus--there is only 1 God.
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For His ministry on earth, God emptied Himself of His glory and took on Himself the role of a man - nevertheless, He remained God.
Jesus IS God. Are you trying to say otherwise?
 
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IsaiahA said:
Unconditional Election, the will bound by sin, NOT free, and Limited Atonement were seen long before John Calvin ever lived, based on scripture. See my earlier post showing this titled:
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That is true, it was Augustine, Bishop of Hippo which started this train wreck of interpretation.
 
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99% of all the religions claiming to be christian-arent in reality--they do not listen to Jesus. They teach little of what he actually taught, thus one cannot obey what they do not know. They remain blinded.
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No, that is not at all what the verse is saying. It is saying unsaved (natural) man, by the fact he is natural man, cannot understand
things spiritual. It is not because of their religion but because of their unsaved state; that is, in order for man to understand things of the Spirit, he must have the Spirit. Unsaved man does not.

[1Co 2:12, 14 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. ...
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
All the time. By God. Take the Abrahamic Covenant as a good example.
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Of course. And I appreciate the response. I was asking the question not to get an answer personally but to instigate further thought.
 
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99% of all the religions claiming to be christian-arent in reality--they do not listen to Jesus. They teach little of what he actually taught, thus one cannot obey what they do not know. They remain blinded.[/QUOTE]
So now we have GURU aa31000 who has arrived at an "enlightened" understanding of the Bible. When businesses put "AA" in front of their names in the old days, it was to make sure they were ahead of the pack in the Yellow Pages. And GURU aa31000 is well ahead of the pack and in the top 1%.:cool: Yet he does not believe that Jesus is GOD. The Hindus don't believe that either. Neither do the Muslims, and the unconverted Jews. Nor the JWs, nor the Christadelphians, and many other cultists.
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Cameron143 said:
There is a gift so great and valuable that whoever sees it they will take it. It is in a dark room and can only be found if the light is turned on. There is a switch on the wall that turns on the light.

If you believe only the creator of the room can reach the light, you believe one way. If you believe anyone who enters the room can turn on the light, you believe another way.
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The Gospel is what shines in the light and the switch is believing that Gospel on a personal level.

And yes people have the ability to believe what they are told.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Even our very Salvation is about the Glory of God. And His [[currently Best]] way of being Glorified is when a human being Accepts His Free Gift.
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Really? Did Saul have to accept it to receive it?
 
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HeIsHere said:
The Gospel is what shines in the light and the switch is believing that Gospel on a personal level.

And yes people have the ability to believe what they are told.
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That's certainly 1 view
 
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HeIsHere said:
The Gospel is what shines in the light and the switch is believing that Gospel on a personal level.

And yes people have the ability to believe what they are told.
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What does this mean?

[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 
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