Salvation is for the Whole World

[rogerg]

So you are a Robot?

A robot? No, I was dead in sin, made alive, and given understanding. Is that a robot,
or is it life from death?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The Father's justice demands that only a few be saved. If He saves all, there is no justice because we are all condemned already and sin would have to be allowed in heaven which means that He would no longer be sovereign. If He condemns all, He would be merciless. To show His mercy, He saves a few by baptizing them in His name by bestowing on them the state of being of repentance for their sins so that the sinner turns to Him for forgiveness.The Father in turn uses different means to bring him the knowledge of forgiveness of sins through Christ. Christ then baptizes the repentant sinner in His name by bestowing on him the faith needed to believe in His work on the cross for the forgiveness of his sins and in the name of the Holy Spirit when the cleansed but still sinful sinner gets perfected. He gets filled with the Spiritual essence of the Father and the Son ( the Holy Spirit) who fill his heart with the divine love necessary to obey the Spirit of the Law given by Christ which is to love God first and everyone else as he loves himself. You will not sin when all your thoughts and actions are motivated by Love for God and people. It is a state of being that cannot be self-induced. THe Father grants repentance, the Son erases, and the Holy Spirit perfects. Salvation is a state of being, not just a mental thing. God expects perfection which we cannot achieve on our own. Thank you Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for making it happen. All three are involved in our salvation. That is how you get baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Hey,
the FATHER, first and most importantly foremost,
Ain't mad at Humanity.

He's mad at the Adversary that deceives the LOST.

He's so mad, He Created a way Humanity could be Saved.

You have a very disturbing View of Who God is!

 

[rogerg]

Which makes faith a gift, and not a work. You are hung by your own petard, as the saying goes.

How?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Human free will is only to sin. Until becoming born-again, everyone is spiritually blind and dead, and cannot understand the spiritual.

Observe:

[1Co 2:12-14 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Human Beings can play baseball without trying to get away from sinning.

Humans are capable of not sinning from moment to moment.

What are you 15?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

A robot? No, I was dead in sin, made alive, and given understanding. Is that a robot,
or is it life from death?

So God never knocked on your heart and asked, Can I Enter?

And you chose within your mind, Yes!...?

 

[aa31000]

Nope. If forgiven, the sin ceases to exist in any form and therefore no action on the part of those
forgiven is either necessary, possible or permitted. Once remitted, at time of payment, it is gone forever.
Observe:

[Psa 103:12 KJV] 12 As far as the east is from the west, [so] far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Only these-Acts 3:19 have their past sins removed. If one goes back like a dog going back to his vomit he is not forgiven.

 

[rogerg]

Human Beings can play baseball without trying to get away from sinning.

Humans are capable of not sinning from moment to moment.

What are you 15?

Should anyone believe that in doing so by their own actions brings to them salvation, then they remain under law and not grace and by that, they sin and have no Saviour.
15? what does that mean?

 

[aa31000]

Human free will is only to sin. Until becoming born-again, everyone is spiritually blind and dead, and cannot understand the spiritual.

Observe:

[1Co 2:12-14 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Free will is for all to choose to listen to Gods advice out of love and respect for him, or vica versa, some use it to practice sin by using free will. it works for both sides of the coin.

 

[rogerg]

So God never knocked on your heart and asked, Can I Enter?

And you chose within your mind, Yes!...?

No, He entered and said I entered your heart and mind and have changed them.

[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

 

[rogerg]

Free will is for all to choose to listen to Gods advice out of love and respect for him, or vica versa, some use it to practice sin by using free will. it works for both sides of the coin.

None of unsaved can hear or see spiritually:

[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Should anyone believe that in doing so by their own actions brings to them salvation, then they remain under law and not grace and by that, they sin and have no Saviour.
15? what does that mean?

I am talking humanity was created to make decisions naturally towards the moral side since Adam.

Humans are capable of Accepting God when He invites them.

No One is made and forced to Accept God.

 

[rogerg]

Only these-Acts 3:19 have their past sins removed. If one goes back like a dog going back to his vomit he is not forgiven.

[Heb 7:25 KJV] 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

No, He entered and said I entered your heart and mind and have changed them.

[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

God CANNOT POSSESS You until you ALLOW Him to do so.

 

[Cameron143]

Which makes faith a gift, and not a work. You are hung by your own petard, as the saying goes.

Is it ok to hang laundry on a petard? I'm not familiar with petard etiquette so any help whatsoever is greatly appreciated.

 

[rogerg]

God CANNOT POSSESS You until you ALLOW Him to do so.

Were that necessary, no one could/would become saved because before being born-again, all are dead in sin.

Observe:

[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

 

[rogerg]

I am talking humanity was created to make decisions naturally towards the moral side since Adam.

Humans are capable of Accepting God when He invites them.

No One is made and forced to Accept God.

All have been blinded by Satan before becoming born again. Believing that one can become saved by accepting Him makes that
acceptance their work and no one can be saved by their works. Not only does it not bring salvation God assesses
debt against them, not grace.

[Rom 4:4 KJV] 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Were that necessary, no one could/would become saved because before being born-again, all are dead in sin.

Observe:

[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

You are dead Spiritually not Physically at the time of Salvation.

God is Connecting to your Soul but your Carnal Mind is still present because you choose to let that tug within to overcome you.

Just like Mary AGREED to the Angel she would ALLOW the Holy Spirit to OVERCOME YOU.

If God was going to MIND CONTROL ANYONE it would have been on Mary.

There would be no Angel just to ask Mary and then one day Mary gets INVADED AGAINST HER KNOWLEDGE AND WILL by the Holy Spirit and Jesus is born.

That is how you are telling me what God did to you and Made You become a Believer.

 

[rogerg]

Not my words. I quoted Jesus Christ as found in Matthew 12.31-32. Your argument is with Him.

My argument with you is not about those verses, it is regarding your interpretation of those verses. I wrote no word
against Christ nor the Holy Spirit but quoted scripture in all my posts. You throw accusations around way
too quickly and easily without thinking or understanding what you're saying. I am the one who fights
to illuminate Christ as Saviour, you, man's work.

 

[rogerg]

You are dead Spiritually not Physically at the time of Salvation.

God is Connecting to your Soul but your Carnal Mind is still present because you choose to let that tug within to overcome you.

Just like Mary AGREED to the Angel she would ALLOW the Holy Spirit to OVERCOME YOU.

If God was going to MIND CONTROL ANYONE it would have been on Mary.

There would be no Angel just to ask Mary and then one day Mary gets INVADED AGAINST HER KNOWLEDGE AND WILL by the Holy Spirit and Jesus is born.

That is how you are telling me what God did to you and Made You become a Believer.

It is not me telling you that, it is the Bible telling you that.

You either didn't read or understand the verses I posted about God giving to those He saves a new mind and a new heart.

Observe:

[Jhn 1:13 KJV] 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

[Rom 9:15-16 KJV] 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

It is not me telling you that, it is the Bible telling you that.

You either didn't read or understand the verses I posted about God giving to those He saves a new mind and a new heart.

Observe:

[Jhn 1:13 KJV] 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

[Rom 9:15-16 KJV] 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

No one is capable of searching and finding God. If we could just create a rocket that would shoot in a specific direction until it travels to a place where God is Residing at physically and approach Him...then He has not revealed His Love for His Creation being deceived by the one who made God his enemy.

Everything is about Glorifying God. The Apostles revealed God's Glory in their lives, writings, and example from Their experiences.

Even our very Salvation is about the Glory of God. And His [[currently Best]] way of being Glorified is when a human being Accepts His Free Gift.

A Gift is never forced, it is given and RECEIVED!.