Salvation is for the Whole World

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
You are presenting Scripture that is solely about Believers and the Kingdom of God being present with them because we are FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT!

His Dying was so EVERYONE could be a part of this Kingdom of God that is present among Believers.

You have knowledge but you ain't very DEEP at all..
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Look, this is not difficult - it is an either-or situation. If all sin has been fully remitted as you say, then there can be no sin remaining to be judged of since Christ already paid the price for it. If anyone can be judged for sin, then Christ could not have paid for it.
You can't have it both ways - that Christ paid for all sin of everyone and in-spite of that, there still remains sin not covered by it.
Once paid for, it is gone, eternally - it no longer exists to be assessed.
My point is that Christ's offering was not, nor could have it been for everyone, and hence, those not covered will face judgment.

[Psa 103:12 KJV] 12 As far as the east is from the west, [so] far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
The only "knowledge" Roger has is the indoctrination and brainwashing he has received in his cult. That is just like the JWs. You could present them with a hundred Scriptures to refute their false teachings, but it would make absolutely no difference. They would continue to cling to their nonsensical beliefs. Calvinism is not only nonsensical but it is a PERVERSION of the Gospel. And that is extremely serious.
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Good one, Nehemiah6. Very insightful, and perceptive. Wonder why I didn't think of that?
 
rogerg said:
Good one, Nehemiah6. Very insightful, and perceptive. Wonder why I didn't think of that?
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Because your teachers taught you to stop thinking for yourself. They gave you a formula and told you to stick with it regardless of what the Bible says.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Because your teachers taught you to stop thinking for yourself. They gave you a formula and told you to stick with it regardless of what the Bible says.
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The only teacher I've ever had is the Bible alone. Your teachers deny Christ as Saviour/Redeemer and they add the requirement of one's own works to His as being necessary for salvation.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
The only "knowledge" Roger has is the indoctrination and brainwashing he has received in his cult. That is just like the JWs. You could present them with a hundred Scriptures to refute their false teachings, but it would make absolutely no difference. They would continue to cling to their nonsensical beliefs. Calvinism is not only nonsensical but it is a PERVERSION of the Gospel. And that is extremely serious.
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I do Agree with You about all of it.
 
rogerg said:
Look, this is not difficult - it is an either-or situation. If all sin has been fully remitted as you say, then there can be no sin remaining to be judged of since Christ already paid the price for it. If anyone can be judged for sin, then Christ could not have paid for it.
You can't have it both ways - that Christ paid for all sin of everyone and in-spite of that, there still remains sin not covered by it.
Once paid for, it is gone, eternally - it no longer exists to be assessed.
My point is that Christ's offering was not, nor could have it been for everyone, and hence, those not covered will face judgment.

[Psa 103:12 KJV] 12 As far as the east is from the west, [so] far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
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ALL and every SIN HAS BEEN RESOLVED AND FORGIVEN, ALL ANYONE TO BE GIFTED IT HAS TO DO IS JUST SAY, YES GOD!

it's FREE to Everyone!
 
Matt 26: 39 And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt. John 6: 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will but the will of Him that sent me. From these verses we can see that the Father and the Son have different wills although the Son subjugates His will and obeys the Father's will. Christ is the God who is active in both the Old and New Testament and fulfills the Father's will.
Exodus 6: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Christ appeared to them in the name of the Father but His name is Jehovah. It was the Father that appeared in Spirit because Christ is filled with the Father's Spirit and and the Father's Spirit talks through Christ ( JEHOVAH) (who is also a spirit).
Christ is our Savior, our Lord, and our God, but the Father is the father and God of all. Christ died for all mankind and wishes that all be saved but the Father's justice demands that only a few be saved.
The problem arises because many believe that God the Father and God the Son are the same entity. The Son is the God of all creation, but the Father is God of all. Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, ... Yes Christ lowered Himself to become a man, but He was sent ( while in heaven before He became a man) to do the will of He who sent Him (the Father). Both are referred to as God.
 
rogerg said:
The only teacher I've ever had is the Bible alone. Your teachers deny Christ as Saviour/Redeemer and they add the requirement of one's own works to His as being necessary for salvation.
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Faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ is required for salvation.

You repeatedly overlook that, and worse, making it of no account.

The shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ sufficiently covers the sins of the whole
world, but is efficacious only for those who by grace through faith believe.
 
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Magenta said:
Faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ is required for salvation.

You repeatedly overlook that, and worse, making it of no account.

The shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ sufficiently covers the sins of the whole
world, but is efficacious only for those who by grace through faith believe.
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Nothing is being ignored but instead placed into its proper context based upon the Bible.
True faith comes only as a fruit of the Spirit when born-again. But it is from salvation, not to salvation -
it is of God, not us.

Observe:

[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
 
The_Watchers_2017 said:
I don't believe in works one bit OTHER THAN I now LOVE MY GOD SO MUCH I WANT TO WORK AND OBEY HIM!!

EVERYONE, from Adam to the End, whether we Accept His Invitation or Deny it, He DIED for us all giving us a FREE GIFT OF SALVATION. You and Myself are fortunate we said, Yes, to His Invitation.
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Accepting His invitation of ourselves, were that even possible which it isn't, would us performing a work.
Anything not fully as a gift is a work.
 
The Father's justice demands that only a few be saved. If He saves all, there is no justice because we are all condemned already and sin would have to be allowed in heaven which means that He would no longer be sovereign. If He condemns all, He would be merciless. To show His mercy, He saves a few by baptizing them in His name by bestowing on them the state of being of repentance for their sins so that the sinner turns to Him for forgiveness.The Father in turn uses different means to bring him the knowledge of forgiveness of sins through Christ. Christ then baptizes the repentant sinner in His name by bestowing on him the faith needed to believe in His work on the cross for the forgiveness of his sins and in the name of the Holy Spirit when the cleansed but still sinful sinner gets perfected. He gets filled with the Spiritual essence of the Father and the Son ( the Holy Spirit) who fill his heart with the divine love necessary to obey the Spirit of the Law given by Christ which is to love God first and everyone else as he loves himself. You will not sin when all your thoughts and actions are motivated by Love for God and people. It is a state of being that cannot be self-induced. THe Father grants repentance, the Son erases, and the Holy Spirit perfects. Salvation is a state of being, not just a mental thing. God expects perfection which we cannot achieve on our own. Thank you Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for making it happen. All three are involved in our salvation. That is how you get baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
 
The_Watchers_2017 said:
ALL and every SIN HAS BEEN RESOLVED AND FORGIVEN, ALL ANYONE TO BE GIFTED IT HAS TO DO IS JUST SAY, YES GOD!

it's FREE to Everyone!
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Nope. If forgiven, the sin ceases to exist in any form and therefore no action on the part of those
forgiven is either necessary, possible or permitted. Once remitted, at time of payment, it is gone forever.
Observe:

[Psa 103:12 KJV] 12 As far as the east is from the west, [so] far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
 
CorrectiveLens said:
The Father's justice demands that only a few be saved. If He saves all, there is no justice because we are all condemned already and sin would have to be allowed in heaven which means that He would no longer be sovereign. If He condemns all, He would be merciless. To show His mercy, He saves a few by baptizing them in His name by bestowing on them the state of being of repentance for their sins so that the sinner turns to Him for forgiveness.The Father in turn uses different means to bring him the knowledge of forgiveness of sins through Christ. Christ then baptizes the repentant sinner in His name by bestowing on him the faith needed to believe in His work on the cross for the forgiveness of his sins and in the name of the Holy Spirit when the cleansed but still sinful sinner gets perfected. He gets filled with the Spiritual essence of the Father and the Son ( the Holy Spirit) who fill his heart with the divine love necessary to obey the Spirit of the Law given by Christ which is to love God first and everyone else as he loves himself. You will not sin when all your thoughts and actions are motivated by Love for God and people. It is a state of being that cannot be self-induced. THe Father grants repentance, the Son erases, and the Holy Spirit perfects. Salvation is a state of being, not just a mental thing. God expects perfection which we cannot achieve on our own. Thank you Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for making it happen. All three are involved in our salvation. That is how you get baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
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Bingo!
 
rogerg said:
Nothing is being ignored but instead placed into its proper context based upon the Bible.
True faith comes only as a fruit of the Spirit when born-again. But it is from salvation, not to salvation -
it is of God, not us.

Observe:

[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
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You continue to forget the importance of the human free will.

There's a faith that exists in all humans. I remember as a 12 year old young man standing in the Batters Circle watching the pitcher and swinging to his pitch trying to time it up. And then you are up to Bat and your mind is confident with the FAITH you are going to smack that ball out of the park.

That faith is a NATURAL CREATED BORN HUMAN designed by God.

That faith has a special place in the plan of God.

To Yield Yourself unto God and by FAITH submit to the Call of God.

Then you receive the Faith from the Holy Spirit:)
 
rogerg said:
Accepting His invitation of ourselves, were that even possible which it isn't, would us performing a work.
Anything not fully as a gift is a work.
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Which makes faith a gift, and not a work. You are hung by your own petard, as the saying goes.
 
The_Watchers_2017 said:
You continue to forget the importance of the human free will.

There's a faith that exists in all humans. I remember as a 12 year old young man standing in the Batters Circle watching the pitcher and swinging to his pitch trying to time it up. And then you are up to Bat and your mind is confident with the FAITH you are going to smack that ball out of the park.

That faith is a NATURAL CREATED BORN HUMAN designed by God.

That faith has a special place in the plan of God.

To Yield Yourself unto God and by FAITH submit to the Call of God.

Then you receive the Faith from the Holy Spirit:)
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Human free will is only to sin. Until becoming born-again, everyone is spiritually blind and dead, and cannot understand the spiritual.

Observe:

[1Co 2:12-14 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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