Christian Nationalists Have Forgotten Their First Priority

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

This is a Leftist's opinion piece about his opposition. Not sure why a Christian would be taking what this guy says to heart. The pagan/Leftist mainstream media's filled with this kind of crap, and Christians are eating it up.

I'm also quite disturbed when Christians are more worried about these folks wanting to bring God back into a society that's founded on His precepts, rather than antifa or BLM or our friends at the WEF. These are the fascist radicals.

I'm a Christian, and I'm a nationalist. This means I put faith in Christ, and take pride in my nation and its founding principles. I do think America is exceptional (though we are on our way toward losing that status). This means I value individual freedom and liberty -- quintessentially anti-fascist. If you have a problem with that, then you are the problem.

Only unself-aware Leftists who push for governmental emergency powers for our security, who jin up division among the people (via economic class or race or whatever works), who try to punish those who believe differently, and don't get in line and chant their mantras (via cancel culture, FBI intimidation, unending lawsuits, the Equality Act, etc.), who condemn the constitution -- and free speech -- as evil, and who send useful idiot foot soldiers to their town to peacefully burn it down, are the true fascists. This is what authoritarian movements do: sow chaos, hatred, discord, fear, pick one group as the enemy, and then the next step is to promise order and safety. Total, absolute order. But, little safety. Enter the WEF and their "great reset". If you are on the Left and are okay with this, then you are the thing you claim you oppose and therefore, you are the bad guy. Not me.

People from brutal dictatorships are coming here and they are NOT warning us about the boogeyman of Christian Nationalism, but about the Leftism increasingly dominating our government and society. This is how their societies fell, so they ought to know what they're talking about, right? But, we have too many college professors, media personalities, and a whole new woke generation who know better than these poor folks do. These idiots wouldn't know real fascism if it smacked them in the face, yet in their ignorance they are fighting hard to drag us down a drain history has repeatedly warned us to avoid.

That's true. Satan may be trying to demonize this attempt at bringing the nation back to the Lord. Things are honestly so crazy right now with all the fake news that I've learned not to just take sides so quickly. We all really have to not jump to conclusions anymore and to look into everything carefully.

Thanks for your input!

 

[Gojira]

3. Forcible suppression of opposition -- we have certainly seen that from the Main Stream Media and from Youtube, Twitter and Google. Being in the opposition doesn't make you a fascist, debating and disagreeing doesn't make you a fascist, but look at all the phony reasons to suspend and deplatform people and shadow ban them, etc. That is forcible suppression of opposition.

I would say that Biden is a fascist disguised as a "catholic". So if you are referring to Biden kudos to you to finally seeing through the charade.

Ha! Love that last line. Brilliant.

Fascists hate dissenters. The Left hates dissenters. Authoritarianism cannot survive with dissent. Free speech is now "white supremacist". So, the State must teach your kids and protect them from radical ideas -- not said by any fascist society. Ever. Right?

And the Left has their scapegoat; Conservative Christians, and those of caucasian ancestry. Even people wanting just to leave a crazy left-wing state for more freedom are now radicals... they are the enemy, a danger to society, basking in their evil white privilege, or their loony faith in an old man in the sky, and they must be cracked down on, or we're all in danger!!

The Leftist must attack the conservative Christian because we are in the way of their 1984-ish vision. We want family before state. God before family. That is a massive roadblock to THEIR becoming gods, running the god-state. You people out there calling yourselves Christ's better wake up to this.

 

[Gojira]

That's true. Satan may be trying to demonize this attempt at bringing the nation back to the Lord. Things are honestly so crazy right now with all the fake news that I've learned not to just take sides so quickly. We all really have to not jump to conclusions anymore and to look into everything carefully.

Thanks for your input!

Of course. My pleasure.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Unfortunately, their emphasis on insularism and dependence on politicians rather than God leaves a lot to be desired.

I believe you are misunderstanding them.

According to the article you have posted "Rawles’ reach was magnified by outlets such as Radio Free Redoubt, a podcast geared toward “God-fearing, liberty-loving patriots,” and Redoubt News, an “online publication featuring the Christian conservative culture.”

So who is going to object to "God-fearing, liberty-loving patriots" and "Christian conservative culture" other than the Leftists and Communists who have hijacked America? So I would say there should be many more of these Christian patriots in America at this time. The states which are controlled by Democrats have been totally destroyed and corrupted. So hopefully these mountain states with these Christian patriots flocking to them will be a counter-balance to the ones who have been ruined. Even Florida has some very serious issues which are not being addressed by DeSantis. But unless the governors and governments of those mountain states also commit themselves to conservative governance, there could be problems.

 

[Gojira]

There were a few things in the article that made me sit back in my seat, but for the most part, this author strikes me as a "woke" Christian, if such a thing can even exist.

One guy there by the name of Paul, wrote the best response, in my opinion:

As a Christian I am first a citizen of the kingdom of heaven. Also, I want to be a good citizen in the country in which I live. Does that make me a Christian nationalist?

I believe the practice of homosexuality is a sin, that marriage is between a man and a woman, that diversity should be based on one’s talents and gifts, not skin color. I believe we should guarantee equality, not equity. I believe that I’m not responsible for the racism of my ancestors; and only responsible for my own attitudes and actions. Does that make me a Christian nationalist?

The article seems to conflate Christian nationalism with white supremacy. My skin is white. I am patriotic. Does that make me a white suprematist? My children are black. They forge their way in this world with their work ethic and values, not a sense of entitlement. Are they also Christian nationalists?

I believe that the laws of our land express someone’s morality. As a Christian I want those laws to reflect Christian values. Does that make me a Christian nationalist?

If a Christian seeks to support his biblical values in his politics does that make him a Christian nationalist? If so, we need more Christian nationalists.

I want to kiss this man... in a totally platonic way of course

 

[MsMediator]

An ideal Christian nation would focus more on restoration and forgiveness rather than rules and punishment. More New Testament and Gospel and less Old Testament. Treatment of women in the New Testament is better (for ex. Jesus taught women, trusted women as witnesses, etc.). Other small differences like, singles would be considered equally blessed as marrieds. Something about the Idaho example in the OP post doesn't sit well

 

[MsMediator]

The article seems to conflate Christian nationalism with white supremacy.

Generally white supremacists are Christian nationalists (spurred by the fact they are also-antisemitic, anti-this anti that, etc.), but the other way around is not always true. So, I can see how people link the two.

 

[MsMediator]

The biggest reason I see on why Christian nationalism in the U.S. (not commenting on other countries, may be different) is linked to white supremacy, racism, etc. is that Christian nationalists like white nationalists quickly reject anything that is different from them. Christian nationalists reject progressive Christians and Catholics which includes most Latinos for example (whom most people consider Christians), as evident in the OP post, and probably even women working. This can come across as Christian nationalists rejecting Latinos, immigrants, etc (just like the white supremacists). Given the strong link between white supremacists and Christian nationalists, in that both groups have same conservative political views and probably the same goal of having a Christian theocracy (more or less), it is easy to see why someone may be confused. And, by extension, anyone who is a conservative or Republican is undeservedly linked to these groups. Also, even not knowing what "Christian nationalism" exactly means, one has to admit that it sounds scary/extreme because some bad actors in the past who were supposedly Christian pushed nationalism. Anyone describing themself as a Christian nationalist is not doing themselves any favor.

 

[Gojira]

The biggest reason I see on why Christian nationalism in the U.S. (not commenting on other countries, may be different) is linked to white supremacy, racism, etc. is that Christian nationalists like white nationalists quickly reject anything that is different from them. Christian nationalists reject progressive Christians and Catholics which includes most Latinos for example (whom most people consider Christians), as evident in the OP post, and probably even women working. This can come across as Christian nationalists rejecting Latinos, immigrants, etc (just like the white supremacists). Given the strong link between white supremacists and Christian nationalists, in that both groups have same conservative political views and probably the same goal of having a Christian theocracy (more or less), it is easy to see why someone may be confused. And, by extension, anyone who is a conservative or Republican is undeservedly linked to these groups. Also, even not knowing what "Christian nationalism" exactly means, one has to admit that it sounds scary/extreme because some bad actors in the past who were supposedly Christian pushed nationalism. Anyone describing themself as a Christian nationalist is not doing themselves any favor.

Nonsense. We are linked to this term via our pagan / fascist enemies who call anyone who disagrees with them a derogatory term like homophobe, Islamophobe, Nazi, fascist, racist, sexist, bigoted, yada yada. That term is intended to damn the Right in the eyes of the public, and I can see here it has worked.

"Christian Nationalism" is "scary" because our pagan opposition wants it to be. It is not a term I ever heard a right-winger use to describe his or herself. It was always something I heard used by the "woke", pagan Left to equate Christians with Nazis. "After all, Hitler was a Christian" says the enlightened "progressive" -- and you also, MsMediator. And, nothing could be further from the truth -- even to Hitler himself, who hated Christianity.

I am a conservative, and I have NOTHING in common with a national socialist or a communist -- two variants of the same smelly lump of poop. The Nazis were NOT conservatives in any American sense. They were Leftists... National SOCIALISTS. Nazis and white supremacists embrace a socialistic model. Their "nationalism" is state-worship. To the conservative, nationalism means a love and a reverence for the nation's founding principles, not its central government or the cult of personality that occupies its highest office, like Stalin or Mussolini or ol' Adolph. But, you knew that.

Conservatism, in the American sense, means to preserve and perpetuate principles and institutions that have stood the test of time, like freedom of speech and belief, small government (not a fascistic overarching State), etc. This is 180° from the Nazi model.

Too many Christians out there are buying the garbage from the mainstream media, which hates conservative, Biblically-minded Christians. That's like a rat investing in a company that produces rat poison.

 

[JohnDB]

Christian Nationalism started with President Reagan....it was his political campaigns that started that.

Religious affiliation had been left out of politics starting with post WW2. Especially from Kennedy's and Nixon's elections.

But Reagan brought it back as "God and Country"....and especially Country...meaning nationalism.

The era of shouting "Baby Killer" at every American soldier was over....

People, are collectively stupid. Individually less so.

 

[ZNP]

Christian Nationalism started with President Reagan....it was his political campaigns that started that.

Religious affiliation had been left out of politics starting with post WW2. Especially from Kennedy's and Nixon's elections.

But Reagan brought it back as "God and Country"....and especially Country...meaning nationalism.

The era of shouting "Baby Killer" at every American soldier was over....

People, are collectively stupid. Individually less so.

Wow, we need to stop throwing these terms around. The most radical political pastor I ever heard was Obama's pastor and he sure wasn't a republican. Christians have a dual status as being citizens as well and therefore, like Paul, they have the rights and responsibilities of citizens which includes voting and party politics. But when Christian nationalism is defined as both Fascist (worship of a dictatorial govt) and political activism we have seen since Reagan then it is pure slander and misinformation.

It was Roe V. Wade and removing of prayer from schools that woke up some Christians to the need to get involved. If an unbeliever gets involved they are lauded as a good citizen, but if a Christian gets involved it is fascist or an attempt to bring in a theocracy. This is simply slander from Satan.

 

[Dude653]

Wow, we need to stop throwing these terms around. The most radical political pastor I ever heard was Obama's pastor and he sure wasn't a republican. Christians have a dual status as being citizens as well and therefore, like Paul, they have the rights and responsibilities of citizens which includes voting and party politics. But when Christian nationalism is defined as both Fascist (worship of a dictatorial govt) and political activism we have seen since Reagan then it is pure slander and misinformation.

It was Roe V. Wade and removing of prayer from schools that woke up some Christians to the need to get involved. If an unbeliever gets involved they are lauded as a good citizen, but if a Christian gets involved it is fascist or an attempt to bring in a theocracy. This is simply slander from Satan.

Prayer was never removed from schools.
It just can't be compulsory by the school.
If a student wants to sit at his desk and pray, that's his constitutional right

 

[ZNP]

Prayer was never removed from schools.
It just can't be compulsory by the school.
If a student wants to sit at his desk and pray, that's his constitutional right

Many of use believe that the best way to bring up a child is in the fear and admonition of the Lord and that includes starting the day with prayer. So for those who want to let their little first grader figure it out for themselves, go ahead and send them to some groomer with their Tik Tok videos and LGBTQ+ flag to raise your child, but for those who want to train up their child you'll need to homeschool.

 

[Dude653]

Many of use believe that the best way to bring up a child is in the fear and admonition of the Lord and that includes starting the day with prayer. So for those who want to let their little first grader figure it out for themselves, go ahead and send them to some groomer with their Tik Tok videos and LGBTQ+ flag to raise your child, but for those who want to train up their child you'll need to homeschool.

Compulsory prayer violates the constitutional rights of anyone who's not christian. That's why the lady sued because her son was forced to participate in a prayer
That's why when I was in high school, we just had a moment of silence every morning and you could sit there quietly or pray at your desk or whatever you wanted to do

 

[ZNP]

Compulsory prayer violates the constitutional rights of anyone who's not christian. That's why the lady sued because her son was forced to participate in a prayer
That's why when I was in high school, we just had a moment of silence every morning and you could sit there quietly or pray at your desk or whatever you wanted to do

No it doesn't. The constitution does not say anything about public school, therefore it is not something under the Federal government and according to the Constitution it is up to the states to decide.

Second, having a set time of prayer is not "compulsory" prayer. No one is forcing anyone to pray anymore than having an assembly meeting with a BLM activist is forcing the kids to join BLM or getting a transgender to come speak to the kids is forcing everyone to be transgender.

But I don't care. I am not interested in debating this issue with atheists like yourself. My advice to anyone who will listen is to pull your elementary schook and JHS kid from the public school system and homeschool.

 

[ZNP]

Compulsory prayer violates the constitutional rights of anyone who's not christian. That's why the lady sued because her son was forced to participate in a prayer
That's why when I was in high school, we just had a moment of silence every morning and you could sit there quietly or pray at your desk or whatever you wanted to do

I hope everyone can take a few seconds to reflect on this. Why are you letting an atheist tell you how you are supposed to raise your child? This is not about Dude, this is about the public school system. The atheists are in charge, the groomers are in charge, the LGBTQ+ community is in charge. Why would you give them your little 1st grader to teach and raise?

After all, what is their argument, they don't want Christians teaching their children?! Yet the Christians are supposed to be OK with that, we'll let you raise our children?

That is a violation of the direct commandment in the Bible that Fathers and Mothers are to teacher their children.

 

[Gojira]

I hope everyone can take a few seconds to reflect on this. Why are you letting an atheist tell you how you are supposed to raise your child? This is not about Dude, this is about the public school system. The atheists are in charge, the groomers are in charge, the LGBTQ+ community is in charge. Why would you give them your little 1st grader to teach and raise?

After all, what is their argument, they don't want Christians teaching their children?! Yet the Christians are supposed to be OK with that, we'll let you raise our children?

That is a violation of the direct commandment in the Bible that Fathers and Mothers are to teacher their children.

The founders wanted the Bible taught in public schools. Atheists have convinced the nation of the opposite.

The State taking over the raising of your kids is the Leftist's goal, and there is of course no precedent of any authoritarian nation ever doing that.

 

[HeIsHere]

Compulsory prayer violates the constitutional rights of anyone who's not christian. That's why the lady sued because her son was forced to participate in a prayer
That's why when I was in high school, we just had a moment of silence every morning and you could sit there quietly or pray at your desk or whatever you wanted to do

How were the students forced to pray exactly?

 

[ResidentAlien]

The unfortunate thing about Christian nationalism, and the reason it should be avoided in my opinion, is it assumes that God can't take care of Himself. It puts the responsibility of saving the US on believers, when that was never part of our job description. Our job is to promote and glorify the One who has it all under control even when things look bleak.

 

[ZNP]

The unfortunate thing about Christian nationalism, and the reason it should be avoided in my opinion, is it assumes that God can't take care of Himself. It puts the responsibility of saving the US on believers, when that was never part of our job description. Our job is to promote and glorify the One who has it all under control even when things look bleak.

1Peter 2:12 having your behavior seemly among the Gentiles; that, wherein they speak against you as evil-doers, they may by your good works, which they behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

Can good works include a hospital? How about a school? How about helping drug addicts get free of drugs or alcoholics or felons return to the work force? What about a soup kitchen? It was the incredibly long rolls of signatures of people petitioning the Supreme Court to overturn Roe V. Wade that did it.

Elisha gave top secret intelligence concerning Syria's military plans.

Abraham put together a small militia to rescue Lot.

Mordecai unveiled a plot to overthrow the king.

Joseph unveiled a plan to rescue Egypt from a famine.

Daniel proclaimed judgement on Babylon