CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus

[cv5]

You believe Rome to have been kind to God's people? Those hanging and burning as lanterns might differ.

No...YOU believe this. Should you want me to prove this, I will repost your earlier statements.

 

[Cameron143]

Changing your tune are we? Your many posts indicate that THIS PRESENT "fourth beast" kingdom is that which will bring incremental improvement, a gradual peace for the world, by a very slow iterative process where the Saints of God will finally fill the earth and bring change.

And by your earlier posts, there is no terminus to this present "fourth beast" age. It will last to an indefinite and long time in the future.

On the other hand, the Scripture states a downward spiral of godlessness, violence, sin, rebellion and attacks on God people Israel and tribulation Saints so severe that the Lord Jesus will Personally need to intervene to save the world, lest ALL FLESH should perish.

Mar 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

I haven't changed anything . I've been consistent. The thing that has been inconsistent is your understanding of what I have said. But as I wasn't addressing you with my comments and don't believe a discussion with you will prove profitable or be edifying, I bid you a most gracious day.

 

[cv5]

I haven't changed anything . I've been consistent. The thing that has been inconsistent is your understanding of what I have said. But as I wasn't addressing you with my comments and don't believe a discussion with you will prove profitable or be edifying, I bid you a most gracious day.

You have stated in no uncertain terms that there will be NO redemption of the Nation Israel. This you have rejected out of hand when confronted with the question.

To disregard the redemption of Israel is to disregard all of the end-time prophecy attendant to it. Including the future Second Coming, the details of which are elaborated upon from Genesis 3 onward.

Consequently, I cannot agree with much of anything you say.

 

[cv5]

I haven't changed anything . I've been consistent. The thing that has been inconsistent is your understanding of what I have said. But as I wasn't addressing you with my comments and don't believe a discussion with you will prove profitable or be edifying, I bid you a most gracious day.

https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5025029

@Cameron143 said: "I don't believe either of the first 2 because I don't believe they are imminent, not because they won't occur.

I believe the kingdom of God is already here and growing daily."

https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5025054

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

My only point from Daniel 2 is that God set up an eternal kingdom in the 4th empire. The 4th empire is Rome. Coincidentally, that was when Jesus appeared on the scene.

You ignore the fact that the 4th empire would change. That it would have characteristics which the rome of Christ did not have.

You could not even show when Christ defeated that em[ire and set up his kingdom from a historical perspective.

You are I am afraid single minded/ You just want to see what you want to see.. I have given you many reasons to search deeper. But for some reason you will not.

I can not fathom why this would be?

 

[Cameron143]

You have stated in no uncertain terms that there will be NO redemption of the Nation Israel. This you have rejected out of hand when confronted with the question.

To disregard the redemption of Israel is to disregard all of the end-time prophecy attendant to it. Including the future Second Coming, the details of which are elaborated upon from Genesis 3 onward.

Consequently, I cannot agree with much of anything you say.

Wow. Just wow. I explicitly said I did believe there is redemption for the Jewish people, but just not imminently.
At any rate, I'm not accountable for your deliberate misinterpretation of what I believe. But I will caution you, defaming me may be viewed as a win to you, but will eventually catch up to you.
While I have profited from some of your posts on other threads, I will no longer dignify your personal attacks and deliberate mischaracterizing of my posts with a response.

 

[cv5]

Wow. Just wow. I explicitly said I did believe there is redemption for the Jewish people, but just not imminently.

Aha. You did NOT say "the Nation Israel", you said "the Jewish people".

Now tell us: do you in fact believe that the Nation Israel (the ethnic sons of Jacob), will MAINTAIN THEIR IDENTILY (and not need be "converted to Christianity" beforehand or afterward) and be redeemed AS A COHESIVE ETHNIC NATION at the Second Coming of Jesus, where He will reconstitute their EARTHLY domain in their land? Do you believe that their King Jesus will reign over them in the land of Israel from His throne in Jerusalem? Do you believe that there will be a literal millennial reign of King Jesus, after He destroys the "fourth beast" and their armies in a literal war against the present Nation Israel?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

 

[cv5]

I could easily compile a far more lengthy list of quotes from @Cameron143.
But my point is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have an "eternal kingdom in the 4th empire" and have a Second Coming, a redeeming of Israel, or the fulfillment of any end-time prophecy whatsoever!

https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5023511

https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5025329

@Cameron143 said: "My only point from Daniel 2 is that God set up an eternal kingdom in the 4th empire. The 4th empire is Rome. Coincidentally, that was when Jesus appeared on the scene."

https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5024847

@Cameron143 said: "I know this view isn't popular these days. But if the eternal kingdom was established during the Roman empire, it is the only one that fits. Btw...there are explanations for all that you asked about. But I didn't try to answer any because it wouldn't matter if you don't first understand when the eternal kingdom began."

https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5024831

@Cameron143 said: I understand subsequent revelation is given in the NT. But if you say that the Roman empire is the 4th empire, and it says God sets up an eternal kingdom at that time, how can it be that the eternal kingdom has not been established?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ @cv5 , I gather that Cameron143 believes the following verse was fulfilled in the first century--perhaps in the events surrounding 70ad, since he did say he believed Jesus "returned" for that purpose / at that time--where in Dan2:34 it says this:

"As you watched, a stone was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay [which he takes to be Rome of the first century, I think], and crushed them."

The next verse continues on to say, "Then the iron, clay, bronze, silver, and gold were shattered and became like chaff on the threshing floor in summer. The wind carried them away, and not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that had struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth." [which he takes to be meaning, "since the first century... in ever-increasing measure"]



It kind of reminds me of the way people often mistake the SEQUENCE ISSUES in the Olivet Discourse (we're always talking about)...

... where there are events that take place "BEFORE ALL" the beginning of birth pangs (including ONE "SEE-then-FLEE" circumstance--the one in the 70ad events [Lk21:23,20,12]), and then there are events which FOLLOW ON from "the beginning of birth pangs"... coming AFTER those (which includes a WHOLLY DISTINCT "SEE-then-FLEE" from the one which occurred in the 70ad events--indeed, far furture to that [in the yrs immediately preceding and LEADING UP TO Christ's [commonly-called] Second Coming to the earth in Rev19; i.e. His "RETURN" to the earth... "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 [and parallel]... THEN "the meal [G347]" i.e. the earthly MK age, yet "future"--when the "FEET and TOES [iron AND clay]" kingdom will be existing/operating in its role--it hasn't yet)

 

[cv5]

^ @cv5 , I gather that Cameron143 believes the following verse was fulfilled in the first century--perhaps in the events surrounding 70ad, since he did say he believed Jesus "returned" for that purpose / at that time--where in Dan2:34 it says this:

"As you watched, a stone was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay [which he takes to be Rome of the first century, I think], and crushed them."

The next verse continues on to say, "Then the iron, clay, bronze, silver, and gold were shattered and became like chaff on the threshing floor in summer. The wind carried them away, and not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that had struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth." [which he takes to be meaning, "since the first century"]



It kind of reminds me of the way people often mistake the SEQUENCE ISSUES in the Olivet Discourse... where there are events that take place "BEFORE ALL" the beginning of birth pangs (including ONE "SEE-then-FLEE" circumstance--the one in the 70ad events [Lk21:23,20,12]), and then there are events which FOLLOW ON from "the beginning of birth pangs"... coming AFTER those (which includes a WHOLLY DISTINCT "SEE-then-FLEE" from the one which occurred in the 70ad events--indeed, far furture to that [in the yrs immediately preceding and LEADING UP TO Christ's [commonly-called] Second Coming to the earth in Rev19; i.e. His "RETURN" to the earth... "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44... THEN "the meal [G347]" i.e. the earthly MK age)

Yes that seems to be the case. But it is no less absurd a conclusion.
Furthermore, to submit to that error basically wrecks any possibility that the covenants and promises made to the Nation Israel shall be fulfilled. To which I simply cannot accept, nor agree with, nor barter away in seeking some kind of compromise.

But worse.....MUCH worse than that is that since it is an established fact that the 4th Kingdom is properly interpreted as the final Kingdom of the reign of Satan, anyone who preaches that the 4th Kingdom is the final established eternal kingdom must also be preaching that Satan's kingdom is an eternal kingdom! And by inference, Satan is the eternal King over the earth!

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

But worse.....MUCH worse than that is that since it is an established fact that the 4th Kingdom is properly interpreted as the final Kingdom of the reign of Satan, anyone who preaches that the 4th Kingdom is the final established eternal kingdom must also be preaching that Satan's kingdom is an eternal kingdom! And by inference, Satan is the eternal King over the earth!

I don't think he'd be saying that, exactly... I think his view is that the beast-kingdom/-kingdoms was/were destroyed with Rome of the first century... and none exist after that. Only the kingdom of God... per vv.24-25.

You and I disagree with his TIMING... and believe that the IRON LEGS were first century Rome, (not the FEET / TOES, which are yet "future")





[I would suggest the readers be directed to what I'd put in a previous post: https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5023550 ]

 

[Nehemiah6]

Yes that seems to be the case. But it is no less absurd a conclusion.

Absurdities abound on this forum (and other Christian forums). Once someone decides to grab hold of something silly, they simply refuse to let it go (regardless of Scripture). How does one explain such irrational behavior?

WHICH SHOWS THE POWER OF LIES. Lies are being used today (within and outside Christendom) to undermine the truth and to cause people to accept total nonsense as reality.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Only the kingdom of God... per vv.24-25.

TYPO... meant to say, "per vv.34-35" [of Daniel 2]

 

[cv5]

I don't think he'd be saying that, exactly... I think his view is that the beast-kingdom/-kingdoms was/were destroyed with Rome of the first century... and none exist after that. Only the kingdom of God... per vv.24-25.

You and I disagree with his TIMING... and believe that the IRON LEGS were first century Rome, (not the FEET / TOES, which are yet "future")





[I would suggest the readers be directed to what I'd put in a previous post: https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5023550 ]

OK I can see than being the case. Still, with that view, the prophets and Israel are kicked to the curb, making God out to be a liar. And no imminent Second Coming where God will be demonstrating his glory either. No bueno.

IMO, anybody who does not actually understand nor believe in the Second Coming and all of the implications thereof had better get on their knees and pray pray pray and repent repent repent.

 

[cv5]

^ @cv5 , I gather that Cameron143 believes the following verse was fulfilled in the first century--perhaps in the events surrounding 70ad, since he did say he believed Jesus "returned" for that purpose / at that time--where in Dan2:34 it says this:

"As you watched, a stone was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay [which he takes to be Rome of the first century, I think], and crushed them."

The next verse continues on to say, "Then the iron, clay, bronze, silver, and gold were shattered and became like chaff on the threshing floor in summer. The wind carried them away, and not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that had struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth." [which he takes to be meaning, "since the first century... in ever-increasing measure"]



It kind of reminds me of the way people often mistake the SEQUENCE ISSUES in the Olivet Discourse (we're always talking about)...

... where there are events that take place "BEFORE ALL" the beginning of birth pangs (including ONE "SEE-then-FLEE" circumstance--the one in the 70ad events [Lk21:23,20,12]), and then there are events which FOLLOW ON from "the beginning of birth pangs"... coming AFTER those (which includes a WHOLLY DISTINCT "SEE-then-FLEE" from the one which occurred in the 70ad events--indeed, far furture to that [in the yrs immediately preceding and LEADING UP TO Christ's [commonly-called] Second Coming to the earth in Rev19; i.e. His "RETURN" to the earth... "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 [and parallel]... THEN "the meal [G347]" i.e. the earthly MK age, yet "future"--when the "FEET and TOES [iron AND clay]" kingdom will be existing/operating in its role--it hasn't yet)

https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5024327

https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5023697

https://christianchat.com/threads/t...oming-are-being-fulfilled.209446/post-5021532

Compare and contrast the above ^^ with the links below. Gradually improving? Hardly. This idea of "gradual improvement" is a doctrine that is diametrically opposite of what how the Bible portrays these times as well as being contrary to direct observation.

The Vigilant Citizen - Symbols Rule the World
Pics of the Month | The Vigilant Citizen
Movies and TV | The Vigilant Citizen
Sinister Sites | The Vigilant Citizen

In terms of society advancing to ever greater righteousness, things are NOT "getting better" out there.

 

[cv5]

^ @cv5 , I gather that Cameron143 believes the following verse was fulfilled in the first century--perhaps in the events surrounding 70ad, since he did say he believed Jesus "returned" for that purpose / at that time--where in Dan2:34 it says this:

"As you watched, a stone was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay [which he takes to be Rome of the first century, I think], and crushed them."

The next verse continues on to say, "Then the iron, clay, bronze, silver, and gold were shattered and became like chaff on the threshing floor in summer. The wind carried them away, and not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that had struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth." [which he takes to be meaning, "since the first century... in ever-increasing measure"]



It kind of reminds me of the way people often mistake the SEQUENCE ISSUES in the Olivet Discourse (we're always talking about)...

... where there are events that take place "BEFORE ALL" the beginning of birth pangs (including ONE "SEE-then-FLEE" circumstance--the one in the 70ad events [Lk21:23,20,12]), and then there are events which FOLLOW ON from "the beginning of birth pangs"... coming AFTER those (which includes a WHOLLY DISTINCT "SEE-then-FLEE" from the one which occurred in the 70ad events--indeed, far furture to that [in the yrs immediately preceding and LEADING UP TO Christ's [commonly-called] Second Coming to the earth in Rev19; i.e. His "RETURN" to the earth... "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 [and parallel]... THEN "the meal [G347]" i.e. the earthly MK age, yet "future"--when the "FEET and TOES [iron AND clay]" kingdom will be existing/operating in its role--it hasn't yet)

Really what I was intending to ALSO say in my earlier post was that anyone who believes that THIS PRESENT AGE is the eternal righteous Kingdom of God ON THE EARTH is in fact hideously mistaken. They are transposing Satan's 4th EARTHLY beast kingdom for that of Gods eternal EARTHLY kingdom that IS NOT NOW, but must needs be established in the very near future.

This "transposition" notion was in effect implied and embedded in my post. Therefore the conclusion still stands.
It is this "transposition" error that gives rise to all sorts of horrible deceptions, seductions and sinister implications.
Not to mention that it is undeniably unbiblical.

 

[CS1]

LOL, Jesus said no man knows the day or hour. Therefore
CJ Lovik is a false prophet.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

LOL, Jesus said no man knows the day or hour. Therefore
CJ Lovik is a false prophet.

The word in that verse ("knows") is in the "PERFECT indicative".

The Subject is: His Second Coming to the earth (context). [Rev19]


Jesus, some 60+ years LATER, disclosed FURTHER INFORMANTION on that very Subject (in "Revelation"--written 95ad or thereabouts)...

... which [book] INCLUDES various timing-issues, day-amounts, time-stamps, etc... so that those who will be IN the Trib [experiencing that time-period] CAN [possibly / potentially] "know," IF they will but HEED HIS WORD (but we know Scripture informs us that many will not--just "as [hosper - 'exactly as'] the days of Noah were... ").

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

FURTHER INFORMANTION

TYPO (again! LOL) - "FURTHER INFORMATION" (yes, I do know how to spell! HA!)

 

[cv5]

Yes that seems to be the case. But it is no less absurd a conclusion.
Furthermore, to submit to that error basically wrecks any possibility that the covenants and promises made to the Nation Israel shall be fulfilled. To which I simply cannot accept, nor agree with, nor barter away in seeking some kind of compromise.

But worse.....MUCH worse than that is that since it is an established fact that the 4th Kingdom is properly interpreted as the final Kingdom of the reign of Satan, anyone who preaches that the 4th Kingdom is the final established eternal kingdom must also be preaching that Satan's kingdom is an eternal kingdom! And by inference, Satan is the eternal King over the earth!

EDIT ^^

But worse.....MUCH worse than that is that since it is an established fact that this (present) 4th Kingdom is properly interpreted as the final/last Kingdom of the reign of Satan, anyone who contrarily preaches that we now are in the midst of God's ETERNAL Kingdom is ACTUALLY preaching that Satan's 4th kingdom is an eternal kingdom! And by inference, Satan is the eternal King over the earth!

That is really (more or less) what I intended to say to begin with......
It difficult to get it out there not sounding like a word salad