Whom Did Christ Die For?
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are you familiar with Edom in Bible prophecy ? And the story of the edomites in kings and chronicles ? God knew esau from the womb
“And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people, being old and full of days:
and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him.”
Genesis 35:29 KJV
“Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.”
Genesis 36:1 KJV
“Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.
…And Esau took his wives, and his sons, and his daughters, and all the persons of his house, and his cattle, and all his beasts, and all his substance, which he had got in the land of Canaan; and went into the country from the face of his brother Jacob.
Thus dwelt Esau in mount Seir: Esau is Edom.
And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:
…. these be the dukes of Edom, according to their habitations in the land of their possession: he is Esau the father of the Edomites.”
Genesis 36:1-2, 6, 8-9, 43
“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.”
Hebrews 12:14, 16-17
God understood who esau was and who his people would be it wasn’t that he arbitrarily hated him
“And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in Edom according to mine anger and according to my fury; and they shall know my vengeance, saith the Lord GOD.”
Ezekiel 25:14
There’s a lot to what I’m trying to say not very well but esau is the root of edom there ere reasons God favored and chose Jacob
“Concerning Edom, thus saith the LORD of hosts; Is wisdom no more in Teman? is counsel perished from the prudent? is their wisdom vanished? Flee ye, turn back, dwell deep, O inhabitants of Dedan; for I will bring the calamity of Esau upon him, the time that I will visit him. But I have made Esau bare, I have uncovered his secret places, and he shall not be able to hide himself: his seed is spoiled, and his brethren, and his neighbours, and he is not.”
Jeremiah 49:7-8, 10 KJV
“Also Edom shall be a desolation: every one that goeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss at all the plagues thereof.”
Jeremiah 49:17 KJV
If you learn about esau , edom the edomites, it will make more sense in that Edoms fate later became an example of jerusalems fate
God always understands who someone is and what they have in their heart to do later even from the womb he knew Jacob and Esau and was speaking the end from the beginning Esau’s line would be destroyed in the end by his wrath and jacobs line for a time was blessed by his peace
He speaks it in pat tense “ Jacob I loved esau I hated “ because he’s speaking the end before the beginning
jacob I will bless and choose
esau will reject me and receive wrath
jacob was loved and esau hated
“And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people, being old and full of days:
and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him.”
Genesis 35:29 KJV
“Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.”
Genesis 36:1 KJV
“Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.
…And Esau took his wives, and his sons, and his daughters, and all the persons of his house, and his cattle, and all his beasts, and all his substance, which he had got in the land of Canaan; and went into the country from the face of his brother Jacob.
Thus dwelt Esau in mount Seir: Esau is Edom.
And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:
…. these be the dukes of Edom, according to their habitations in the land of their possession: he is Esau the father of the Edomites.”
Genesis 36:1-2, 6, 8-9, 43
“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.”
Hebrews 12:14, 16-17
God understood who esau was and who his people would be it wasn’t that he arbitrarily hated him
“And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in Edom according to mine anger and according to my fury; and they shall know my vengeance, saith the Lord GOD.”
Ezekiel 25:14
There’s a lot to what I’m trying to say not very well but esau is the root of edom there ere reasons God favored and chose Jacob
“Concerning Edom, thus saith the LORD of hosts; Is wisdom no more in Teman? is counsel perished from the prudent? is their wisdom vanished? Flee ye, turn back, dwell deep, O inhabitants of Dedan; for I will bring the calamity of Esau upon him, the time that I will visit him. But I have made Esau bare, I have uncovered his secret places, and he shall not be able to hide himself: his seed is spoiled, and his brethren, and his neighbours, and he is not.”
Jeremiah 49:7-8, 10 KJV
“Also Edom shall be a desolation: every one that goeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss at all the plagues thereof.”
Jeremiah 49:17 KJV
If you learn about esau , edom the edomites, it will make more sense in that Edoms fate later became an example of jerusalems fate
God always understands who someone is and what they have in their heart to do later even from the womb he knew Jacob and Esau and was speaking the end from the beginning Esau’s line would be destroyed in the end by his wrath and jacobs line for a time was blessed by his peace
He speaks it in pat tense “ Jacob I loved esau I hated “ because he’s speaking the end before the beginning
jacob I will bless and choose
esau will reject me and receive wrath
jacob was loved and esau hated
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The Bible says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.
The prophets blood was shed from the foundation of the world.
And all the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Although they were future events they were still considered as being in the beginning.
Because God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
All things were created by Him and without Him nothing was created that was created.
Which means in the beginning God had the plan to come in the future in flesh, and without that plan God would of not created anything He created for Jesus is the reason creation is successful to judge angels and people, and to give salvation.
Which the Bible says Jesus is the beginning of creation even though He was not born until 4000 years later.
So I believe predestination means God had the plan to give mankind salvation before He laid down the foundation of the world so it is the same as if the saints have salvation in the beginning, but this salvation is to whoever wants this salvation.
But while we have a choice in our salvation we would of not accepted the truth if God did not intervene in our life for the flesh will not accept the truth for there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh.
We have to have a choice in accepting salvation because God's kingdom is true love, and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice.
If you program your computer to say I love you does your computer really love you, and if you program your computer to say I hate you will you get mad and smash the computer.
If God did not choose some people to have salvation without their choice then why is He mad at them.
And God is no respecter of persons, and what makes you to differ from another person, and there no difference between a Jew and a Gentile, and all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and there is none that does good, no, not one, and if you break the least of the law you broke it all.
So what criteria would God choose some people, and not other people when they are all equal in His eyes.
Many are called but few are chosen.
Not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
No person says Jesus is the Lord but by the Holy Ghost.
No person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.
When God calls a person according to their heart condition He will work in their life to get them to the truth, and if they get to the door of truth they have to decide to go through it for God's kingdom is true love, but they would of not got to the door of truth if God did not intervene in their life.
1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
God does not choose who will be saved, and not saved without their choice because He wants all people to be saved.
It is a lack of understanding the scriptures to believe we do not have a choice in our salvation.
But it could be that some people want to believe that so they can engage in sin without fear, and can be lazy living for the kingdom of God with a no pressure lifestyle, and no worries.
The Bible says some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
They do not allow the Spirit to lead them but they want to live in sin and believe they are right with God.
The prophets blood was shed from the foundation of the world.
And all the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Although they were future events they were still considered as being in the beginning.
Because God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
All things were created by Him and without Him nothing was created that was created.
Which means in the beginning God had the plan to come in the future in flesh, and without that plan God would of not created anything He created for Jesus is the reason creation is successful to judge angels and people, and to give salvation.
Which the Bible says Jesus is the beginning of creation even though He was not born until 4000 years later.
So I believe predestination means God had the plan to give mankind salvation before He laid down the foundation of the world so it is the same as if the saints have salvation in the beginning, but this salvation is to whoever wants this salvation.
But while we have a choice in our salvation we would of not accepted the truth if God did not intervene in our life for the flesh will not accept the truth for there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh.
We have to have a choice in accepting salvation because God's kingdom is true love, and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice.
If you program your computer to say I love you does your computer really love you, and if you program your computer to say I hate you will you get mad and smash the computer.
If God did not choose some people to have salvation without their choice then why is He mad at them.
And God is no respecter of persons, and what makes you to differ from another person, and there no difference between a Jew and a Gentile, and all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and there is none that does good, no, not one, and if you break the least of the law you broke it all.
So what criteria would God choose some people, and not other people when they are all equal in His eyes.
Many are called but few are chosen.
Not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
No person says Jesus is the Lord but by the Holy Ghost.
No person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.
When God calls a person according to their heart condition He will work in their life to get them to the truth, and if they get to the door of truth they have to decide to go through it for God's kingdom is true love, but they would of not got to the door of truth if God did not intervene in their life.
1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
God does not choose who will be saved, and not saved without their choice because He wants all people to be saved.
It is a lack of understanding the scriptures to believe we do not have a choice in our salvation.
But it could be that some people want to believe that so they can engage in sin without fear, and can be lazy living for the kingdom of God with a no pressure lifestyle, and no worries.
The Bible says some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
They do not allow the Spirit to lead them but they want to live in sin and believe they are right with God.
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The big question about that passage is the meaning of the word "foreknew." Some people assume they know the meaning. They think it means "know about" ahead of time. That is, the people whom God knew ahead of time decided to accept Jesus and then God chose to know them. However, we must define words the way the Bible defines them, since the Bible is God's inspired Word. Therefore, a word study of the word "know" between individuals shows that its synonym is "love." That is, God "fore-loved" true believers. The KJV uses the word in this sense, "Adam knew Eve," and the result was a baby. It's obvious that any sexual meaning for God's knowledge of us would be false, but it does carry the idea of intimate, personal foreknowledge for his own.
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^ Another word I find interesting: "fore-hoped [G4276]" Eph1:12 [perfect participle]
[quoting from BibleHub]
STRONGS NT 4276: προελπίζω
προελπίζω: perfect participle accusative plural προηλπικότας; to hope before: ἐν τίνι, to repose hope in a person or thing before the event confirms it, Ephesians 1:12. (Posidipp. quoted in Athen. 9, p. 377{c}, Dexippus (circa ), Gregory of Nyssa).
[end quoting; bold mine]
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... of course, not talking about "fore-hoped" BEFORE 'TIME' (as though somehow humans EXISTED 'before time'... No.)
[quoting from BibleHub]
STRONGS NT 4276: προελπίζω
προελπίζω: perfect participle accusative plural προηλπικότας; to hope before: ἐν τίνι, to repose hope in a person or thing before the event confirms it, Ephesians 1:12. (Posidipp. quoted in Athen. 9, p. 377{c}, Dexippus (circa ), Gregory of Nyssa).
[end quoting; bold mine]
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... of course, not talking about "fore-hoped" BEFORE 'TIME' (as though somehow humans EXISTED 'before time'... No.)
