Hell, Sheol, Hades...
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Claiming that everlasting punishment means annihilation is very illogical.claiming that completely destroy does not mean completely destroy is illogical.
Matthew 25:46
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
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● 2Tim 2:24-25 . . The Lord's servants must not quarrel but must be kind to
everyone. They must be able to teach effectively and be patient with difficult
people. They should gently teach those who oppose the truth.
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● 2Tim 2:24-25 . . The Lord's servants must not quarrel but must be kind to
everyone. They must be able to teach effectively and be patient with difficult
people. They should gently teach those who oppose the truth.
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How can they pass to anything?
They are only 'matter' that ceases to exist when physically dead.
They cannot go to the next life because only the saved have immortality according to this theory.
It can only be one or the other.
Either there is some part of the human that goes from this world to the next or there is not
Annihilationism is a materialist view much like an atheist.
I would agree that "everlasting" does not mean forever, "aion" means for an age/time period.
That denies a lot of Scripture. Jesus came to give life more abundantly.
This is not given to unbelievers following the resurrection and judgment
of all at the end of this age. Unbelievers perish in the Lake of Fire.
What are you suggesting is resurrected at the end of this age? It seems you are saying
only the material part of man is resurrected. I am not sure where you get this idea.
From atheists?
You also seem to be suggesting that unbelievers attain to life ever after, which
again is expressly promised to those who have faith, which unbelievers do not.
Everlasting means ever lasting. That is why it was translated as everlasting. We have other scriptures that reiterate this over and over again.
Mark 9:
43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Revelation 20:10
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
Let's try again.
What part of the human needs to be annihilated in the second death.
The spirit of man (immaterial)?
The soul of man? (is this material or immaterial)?
The physical body? (material)
We are material beings meaning we have atoms and molecules.
Atheists believe that is all we are.
Man became a living soul when God breathed the breath of life into the material aspect of Adam.
This same breath animates animals as well. Adam was of the natural world.
Upon death, the spirit of man returns to God Who gave it.
Soul and spirit are often used interchangeably in Scripture, but they
do seem to be separate things which the Spirit of God can separate.
At the end of this age when all men are resurrected for judgment,
I believe the Bible teaches that the whole person will be present.
That means body, spirit, and soul. All perishes in the second death.
As material beings we certainly are comprised of atoms and molecules, but
I have never been an atheist; even as a nonbeliever, that was never my stance
Meaning, I have never believed that is all we are
I should probably amend my final statement from my last post.
To clarify: the whole person perishes, body and soul.
The Spirit of God is imperishable. That is why believers are not harmed by the second death.
Well, we do not go there, but we have the imperishable seed of God indwelling us.
We have put on the imperishable, and Christ's immortality.
We are living in the 'Age of Disinformation' and it starts with people such as you have quite rightly pointed, namely, those who treat words like Humpty Dumpty in that "a word means whatever I want it to mean" e.g. destroy means indestructible; God alone is immortal to mean ALL are immortal; such a thing never even entered my mind to I thought of that first; Black is White; Up is Down; good is bad and bad is good.........................
I would say that those who believe God annihilates are engage in changing the meaning of words as much as any other group.
Destroy and annihilate are not perfect synonyms.
Since the word annihilate has a Latin etymology and means nothingness, I think you have very weak case that it is synonymous with destroy as used in scripture.
So I would be very careful with these accusations since it also applies to your theory,
I prefer the term "conditional immortality." To utterly destroy something annihilates it, though.
Apollumi: Strongs Concordance # 622
Synonyms for destroy
consume
crush
damage
dismantle
end
eradicate
gut
impair
kill
maim
ravage
raze
ruin
sabotage
shatter
smash
smash-up
wipe out
wreck
abort
annihilate
annul
axe
butcher
cream
deface
desolate
despoil
dispatch
erase
exterminate
extinguish
extirpate
level
liquidate
mar
maraud
mutilate
nuke
nullify
overturn
quash
quell
ravish
slay
suppress
torpedo
total
trash
vaporize
waste
wax
The lie Satan told, the one at the heart of the fall of man and corruption of all creation, is repeated by many.Why didn't God tell Adam, "Eat not from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, lest ye burn in hell forever?"
Sheesh. It's really no wonder that I always end up taking the cartoon approach.
