Hell, Sheol, Hades...
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Good post 
We must never confuse the temporary grave with the permanent Lake of Fire. Everyone's bodies will spend a little time in the grave if they do not live to see the Rapture. All bodies in the grave will be resurrected; either to the first resurrection unto eternal life or the second unto everlasting damnation.
We must never confuse the temporary grave with the permanent Lake of Fire. Everyone's bodies will spend a little time in the grave if they do not live to see the Rapture. All bodies in the grave will be resurrected; either to the first resurrection unto eternal life or the second unto everlasting damnation.
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The time to get your soul fixed is now, not later.
At this point it is abundantly clear who lacks understanding. Please step down off your miniature pony.
Reading you posts is a painful and tedious undertaking. Jeremiah is referring to infant sacrifice.
How long must you play devil's advocate?
At this point it is abundantly clear who lacks understanding. Please step down off your miniature pony.
Reading you posts is a painful and tedious undertaking. Jeremiah is referring to infant sacrifice.
How long must you play devil's advocate?
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We are seriously trying to tell you what the Bible says;
Matthew 25:46
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
It is also fact that the evil dead have their own resurrection.
John 5:29
“And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
Revelation 20:
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Matthew 25:46
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
It is also fact that the evil dead have their own resurrection.
John 5:29
“And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
Revelation 20:
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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You ever read about the accused in a Court of Law who after being found guilty and sentenced to the gallows is firstly taken to a prison cell (and in that environment I will suggest his very own thoughts will TORMENT him for his vile crimes) and then after a certain time period is taken to the scaffold and a rope put over his neck and a lever pulled and the floor below falls away and down he goes....
Imagine the torment of his own thoughts when the Most High judges that man to confinement for a certain time and then to be executed and DESTROYED ("fear not those who can destroy the body but fear Him who can DESTROY body and SOUL") i.e. annihilated.
You may want to do some personal research instead of just listening to the sound of one hand clapping.
Imagine the torment of his own thoughts when the Most High judges that man to confinement for a certain time and then to be executed and DESTROYED ("fear not those who can destroy the body but fear Him who can DESTROY body and SOUL") i.e. annihilated.
You may want to do some personal research instead of just listening to the sound of one hand clapping.
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So, it would appear that you have adjusted your position. Well and good for that. Now you may want to go to the next step. Your premise which serves as the basis for your belief in eternal conscious punishment is Immortality of the Soul.
“Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.” 1 Timotht 6:16
Paul's words to Timothy are explicit that God alone is Immortal.
Yes, the time will come ...after the millennial reign of Christ and when Satan is loosed to test Man again for the final time ...when those who remain loyal to Christ will receive a crown and have immortality.
IF you have a sound reasonable Scripture based argument to rebut that position do let's see it - with the exposition in your very own words.
“Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.” 1 Timotht 6:16
Paul's words to Timothy are explicit that God alone is Immortal.
Yes, the time will come ...after the millennial reign of Christ and when Satan is loosed to test Man again for the final time ...when those who remain loyal to Christ will receive a crown and have immortality.
IF you have a sound reasonable Scripture based argument to rebut that position do let's see it - with the exposition in your very own words.
We are well aware that we have not received our glorified bodies yet.
Amen. Glad to see you are coming around. Just remember that there is also a second resurrection... that of the damned.
You have no point. All you have is personal interpretation. This is what happens when one refuses to take the Word at face value. The only time you have used literal interpretation is when you see an opportunity to blaspheme.
Amen. Glad to see you are coming around. Just remember that there is also a second resurrection... that of the damned.
You have no point. All you have is personal interpretation. This is what happens when one refuses to take the Word at face value. The only time you have used literal interpretation is when you see an opportunity to blaspheme.
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I simply asked a question about the illogical parts of annihilationism, not sure why the need for the personal disparaging comment as if to judge me on what I have researched.
You really did not answer my question btw.
"fear not those who can destroy the body but fear Him who can DESTROY body and SOUL"
Annihilationists like to cherry pick verses too it seems, this does not mean annihilate, the word annihilate comes from ex nihilo (to make from nothing) and destroy does not mean to make into nothing.
Where does the life after one is dead come from if the unsaved does not have an immortal spirit as you guys like to insist.
Can you answer this?
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HiH: I simply asked a question about the illogical parts of annihilationism, not sure why the need for the personal disparaging comment as if to judge me on what I have researched.
WB: It is evident from your stated position and absence of a sound exposition of Scripture taking into consideration the original meaning of the words Sheol Hell Hades Gehenna that you haven’t actually researched this topic – and my comments were not in the least ‘disparaging’ but merely accurate observations.
You really did not answer my question btw.
"fear not those who can destroy the body but fear Him who can DESTROY body and SOUL"
Hih: Annihilationists like to cherry pick verses too it seems, this does not mean annihilate, the word annihilate comes from ex nihilo (to make from nothing) and destroy does not mean to make into nothing.
WB: Well, you’ve admitted that you are a cherry picker.
I admit to no such thing and the Scripture I quoted is in context and central to this very issue.
Collins English Dictionary: annihilate: to destroy completely; extinguish.
Collins English Dictionary: destroy: to tear down or demolish…to put an end to…to kill or annihilate
HiH:Where does the life after one is dead come from if the unsaved does not have an immortal spirit as you guys like to insist.
Can you answer this?
WB: You are equating immortality and spirit making them synonymous.
In other words when you think of a ‘spirit’ you automatically assume i.e. it is your premise that a ‘spirit’ is immortal i.e. cannot be destroyed. And in holding to that position you are in denial of what Jesus said:
“And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can DESTROY both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV)
God created life. And He can destroy life and as it is written: “And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment.” Hebrews 9: 27
And so, unbelievers after the death of their physical bodies they have to appear in spirit before the Most High in the Heavenly Court and face His judgment at which time He will pronounce sentence…..and as we know ‘some’ and quite possibly very ‘many’ will be unrepentant wilful sinners who reject Him and they will be castaway i.e. destroyed and before that annihilation there will be much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth and they will be tormented by their own thoughts and actions knowing full well they could have been saved citizens in the “new heavens and new earth” but for their pride and arrogance in rejecting Him.
You may just want to consider this Scripture based argument which drills down into the details: https://www.jeremyandchristine.com/articles/eternal.php
WB: It is evident from your stated position and absence of a sound exposition of Scripture taking into consideration the original meaning of the words Sheol Hell Hades Gehenna that you haven’t actually researched this topic – and my comments were not in the least ‘disparaging’ but merely accurate observations.
You really did not answer my question btw.
"fear not those who can destroy the body but fear Him who can DESTROY body and SOUL"
Hih: Annihilationists like to cherry pick verses too it seems, this does not mean annihilate, the word annihilate comes from ex nihilo (to make from nothing) and destroy does not mean to make into nothing.
WB: Well, you’ve admitted that you are a cherry picker.
I admit to no such thing and the Scripture I quoted is in context and central to this very issue.
Collins English Dictionary: annihilate: to destroy completely; extinguish.
Collins English Dictionary: destroy: to tear down or demolish…to put an end to…to kill or annihilate
HiH:Where does the life after one is dead come from if the unsaved does not have an immortal spirit as you guys like to insist.
Can you answer this?
WB: You are equating immortality and spirit making them synonymous.
In other words when you think of a ‘spirit’ you automatically assume i.e. it is your premise that a ‘spirit’ is immortal i.e. cannot be destroyed. And in holding to that position you are in denial of what Jesus said:
“And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can DESTROY both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV)
God created life. And He can destroy life and as it is written: “And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment.” Hebrews 9: 27
And so, unbelievers after the death of their physical bodies they have to appear in spirit before the Most High in the Heavenly Court and face His judgment at which time He will pronounce sentence…..and as we know ‘some’ and quite possibly very ‘many’ will be unrepentant wilful sinners who reject Him and they will be castaway i.e. destroyed and before that annihilation there will be much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth and they will be tormented by their own thoughts and actions knowing full well they could have been saved citizens in the “new heavens and new earth” but for their pride and arrogance in rejecting Him.
You may just want to consider this Scripture based argument which drills down into the details: https://www.jeremyandchristine.com/articles/eternal.php
It is known as the resurrection of all at the end of this age, for judgment.
Those whose names are not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life pass into the second death.
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God is the author and giver of life. He is eternally self existent. He alone is immortal.
Scripture plainly states this, and yet people will claim that man is born immortal in
direct contradiction to what Scripture plainly states. All life exists in, by, for, and within
Him. Those outside of Him at the end of this age following the resurrection and judgment
of all do not maintain life. They pass into the second death. A multitude of Scriptures attest
to the fact that the unrighteous perish, since death is the wages of sin. The word used (such
as in John 3:16), Strongs #622, is appolumi, which means: to destroy, destroy utterly. Some say
things like, utterly destroy does not mean utterly destroy, and dead means alive forevermore.
I don't see anything illogical about this.
Those whose names are not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life pass into the second death.
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God is the author and giver of life. He is eternally self existent. He alone is immortal.
Scripture plainly states this, and yet people will claim that man is born immortal in
direct contradiction to what Scripture plainly states. All life exists in, by, for, and within
Him. Those outside of Him at the end of this age following the resurrection and judgment
of all do not maintain life. They pass into the second death. A multitude of Scriptures attest
to the fact that the unrighteous perish, since death is the wages of sin. The word used (such
as in John 3:16), Strongs #622, is appolumi, which means: to destroy, destroy utterly. Some say
things like, utterly destroy does not mean utterly destroy, and dead means alive forevermore.
I don't see anything illogical about this.
Meaning, the fact that all are resurrected, and those who do not meet God's requirement by
grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ perish, as Scripture states.
On the other hand, claiming that completely destroy does not mean completely destroy is illogical.
Saying that dead means alive forevermore is illogical to me.
Claiming that man is inherently immortal is illogical to me.
And not only illogical, but contradicts what Scripture plainly states.
grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ perish, as Scripture states.
On the other hand, claiming that completely destroy does not mean completely destroy is illogical.
Saying that dead means alive forevermore is illogical to me.
Claiming that man is inherently immortal is illogical to me.
And not only illogical, but contradicts what Scripture plainly states.