Whom Did Christ Die For?

[thomas64]

I never asked you about whoever will may Come

I asked you about Jerusalem. And Jesus saying they were not willing to do what he willed. he wanted. so he could not do what he willed.

You kept making the point about whosoever will can believe in Christ, so I responded to it.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Its not much good studying like mad if you cannot bring yourself to honestly address the question asked. You know you have previously stated only the law of love is in believers hearts. Im not going to scroll through all your posts to find it, so I guess if you want to deny the truth you can

well since you can not repost what you accuse me of. I will stop playing your game,

If I actually said what you claim. You would post it

ps. I have looked through my posts to see if I could find it. I could not find it, because I did nto say it

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You kept making the point about whosoever will can believe in Christ, so I responded to it.

Will you answer what Jesus said.

I am done playing your silly game

 

[thomas64]

Will you answer what Jesus said.

I am done playing your silly game

Its OK, these sites are predominantly full of people who just want to quote scripture to others to show the knowledge they believe they have. Pride basically, so even if people have to fib, or avoid answering honestly they will, if they think it will affect their street cred on the site. It was your turn to answer, but as you wont we must leave it there

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Its OK, these sites are predominantly full of people who just want to quote scripture to others to show the knowledge they believe they have. Pride basically, so even if people have to fib, or avoid answering honestly they will, if they think it will affect their street cred on the site. It was your turn to answer, but as you wont we must leave it there

So you have falsly accused me three times. And will not answer a direct question which would place your belief in question.

Typical response..

I think you have shown yourself.. When your ready to talk come see me.. You made it too easy,

 

[thomas64]

So you have falsly accused me three times. And will not answer a direct question which would place your belief in question.

Typical response..

I think you have shown yourself.. When your ready to talk come see me.. You made it too easy,

I am going to address one thing here you mentioned. Is Jesus God, and I do so freely as I never stay on sites long I get bored. People on the internet, who have studied greatly, believe in effect, you will be condemned on the day of judgement if you stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth(John10:29, John14:28&John17:3) Of course, they theologise they have the right to do that, and this site of full of such people. Its rather tragic, that people who have spent so much time in study, and revel in debate have come to such an absurd conclusion from their studies. It is as I previously said, the average pew sitter who has studied nowhere near as much as the average internet debater understand s more of the truth that matters

 

[Snacks]

For crying out loud, Jesus Christ died for everyone. John 3.16-18 makes that emphatically clear. Whoever espouses otherwise is a disrespectful heretic to Christ crucified, dead, buried and Resurrected, and is completely void of any Truth given by the Holy Spirit.

 

[HeIsHere]

For crying out loud, Jesus Christ died for everyone. John 3.16-18 makes that emphatically clear. Whoever espouses otherwise is a disrespectful heretic to Christ crucified, dead, buried and Resurrected, and is completely void of any Truth given by the Holy Spirit.

 

[HeIsHere]

Jesus died for the world . Everyone

Amen and Amen!

 

[Nehemiah6]

What is the big surprise that the Jews rejected Christ.

This is one of the greatest mysteries of the universe, since the Jews had absolutely every reason to receive Christ as Lord and Savior. Here is their exalted position before God (Rom 9:4,5):
1. Who are Israelites;
2. to whom pertaineth the adoption,
3. and the glory,
4. and the covenants,
5. and the giving of the law,
6. and the service of God,
7. and the promises;
8. Whose are the fathers,
9. and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came,
10. who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

According to this each and every Jew should have been saved, either before or after the resurrection of Christ.

 

[Cameron143]

This is one of the greatest mysteries of the universe, since the Jews had absolutely every reason to receive Christ as Lord and Savior. Here is their exalted position before God (Rom 9:4,5):
1. Who are Israelites;
2. to whom pertaineth the adoption,
3. and the glory,
4. and the covenants,
5. and the giving of the law,
6. and the service of God,
7. and the promises;
8. Whose are the fathers,
9. and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came,
10. who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

According to this each and every Jew should have been saved, either before or after the resurrection of Christ.

Right. I agree that they should have known. But it is in the nature of unredeemed man to rebel and their rejection was foretold.

 

[Mem]

As I wondered earlier, about Christ's burial somehow factoring in, and also His resurrection, in such a way it would be valid that He died for everyone, though not everyone believes He died, such as (some or all idk) Muslims. And there (might?) be those that believed He died but do not believe He was buried (someone stole the body), or does that fall under the category of not believing in the resurrection? At any rate, if we believe on the Son, wholly, then we believe in His death, burial, and resurrection. So can it then be qualified as valid in saying that, though he died for the sins of the world, which includes everyone, his burial and resurrection, and relative applications toward salvation, is limited to those that believe? After all, heaven and earth will ultimately be made in much the same way those born again are made new creations. What I mean to convey is that Christ's blood covers all sin considering that we will remember it no more in the world to come.

 

[Mem]

...the world wherein the unbelieving will not be permitted to enter without having had faith, wholly, in the death, burial, and resurrection. Otherwise, they will neither be remember remaining with their sin in unbelief, and so 'washed away' with all sin.

That's making sense to me, anyway.

 

[IsaiahA]

I study my biblical theology from recognized scholars, not people found on the Internet. So, am I the one trying to distort the truth of God?

The 1901 American Standard Version is described in Wikipedia thus: "It was often printed using lower quality paper and binding, and was perceived to be excessively literal. It never achieved wide popularity, apart from some Protestant seminaries." Being "literal" is one reason why it is an excellent study Bible that was used in Protestant seminaries. Hebrews 2:9 in the ASV reads as follows -

"But we behold him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, even Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of death for every man." (Heb 2:9)

The word "man" is in italics in the ASV indicates a word added by translators that is not in the Greek. That makes it a matter of interpretation, which calls for paying attention to the context.

The New Greek/English Interlinear New Testament USB5 5th Edition Nestle-Aland 28th Edition, 2020c reads on the phrase "on behalf of all he might taste death". All what or who? Context answers that question in the next verse< Heb 2:10, KJV/ASV/NRSV - "many sons", NRSV "many children",

Thayer's Greek Lexicon - Defines the word πᾶς as all, every and the bold and italics indicates the basic meaning of the word.

The BDAG Greek-English Lexicon defines the word, "pert. to totality with focus on its individual components, each, every, any" and again the bold italics indicate the basic meaning. Again, "each, every, any" of what or who. Context in Hebrews tells us.

From the Baptist John Gill on this verse:

" the word "man" is not in the original text, it is only υπερ παντος, which may be taken either collectively, and be rendered "for the whole"; that is, the whole body, the church for whom Christ gave himself, and is the Saviour of; or distributively, and be translated, "for everyone"; for everyone of the sons God brings to glory, Heb 2:10 for everyone of the "brethren", whom Christ sanctifies, and he is not ashamed to own, and to whom he declares the name of God, Heb 2:11 for everyone of the members of the "church", in the midst of which he sung praise, Heb 2:12 for every one of the "children" God has given him, and for whose sake he took part of flesh and blood, Heb 2:13 and for everyone of the "seed" of Abraham, in a spiritual sense, whose nature he assumed, Heb 2:16.

It looks to me as you are the one "who is trying to DISTORT THE TRUTH." John Gill is still read and respected 300 years after he wrote. I wonder how many of today's self-appointed authorities will be read 300 years from now?

Let me make this very simple. To interpret "every man" in Heb. 2:9 to mean every person who has ever lived or will ever live you MUST have the context to show it means that. Compare the following with the same wording,

"The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." (Luke 16:16)

Just as in Heb. 2:9, the context of Luke 16:16 requires it to be restricted by the context. In both verses it refers to believers, NOT everyone who has lived or will ever live. If the meaning is not restricted by the context you have universal salvation and not one goes to hell. We know not every man as Jesus spoke was pressing their way into the kingdom of God!

 

[Snacks]

I study my biblical theology from recognized scholars, not people found on the Internet.

You hear that boys and girls?
You’re all worthless and weak.
Get in the back of the bus and be quiet.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Right. I agree that they should have known. But it is in the nature of unredeemed man to rebel and their rejection was foretold.

Jesus blamed it in unbelief, love of sin. not on them not being redeemed.. I think that is a stretch we all were unredeemed at one point.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Right. I agree that they should have known. But it is in the nature of unredeemed man to rebel and their rejection was foretold.

As was their redemption, ptl.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

One Scripture shold suffice: But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. (Heb 2:9)

This is an exact translation for the Greek: τὸν δὲ βραχύ τι παρ' ἀγγέλους ἠλαττωμένον βλέπομεν Ἰησοῦν διὰ τὸ πάθημα τοῦ θανάτου δόξῃ καὶ τιμῇ ἐστεφανωμένον ὅπως χάριτι θεοῦ ὑπὲρ παντὸς* γεύσηται θανάτου

*Strong's Concordance
pas: all, every
Original Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pas
Phonetic Spelling: (pas)
Definition: all, every
Usage: all, the whole, every kind of.

amen a second witness

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[ReinhardBehrens]

Hi there,

The Bible is clear that those whom believe will be those whom are saved. If you believe you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit whereby you cry Abba Father (Romans 8:15).

One could read in the book of John that its about believing in who Jesus and that He is who He says he is:

But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. - John 6:64 (Emphasis mine)

If you can say Jesus is Lord, its the Holy Spirit in you that is making that statement (1 Corinthians 12:3). So its to believe the good news and stay in the Word of God.

If you believe it you receive it.

Love people and be kind to the poor and do what JESUS commands plays a large role.

Reinhard

 

[Webers.Home]

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• John 3:16-17 . . For God so loved the world the elect, that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent
not his Son into the world to condemn the world the elect; but that the world the elect through
him might be saved.

• 1Tim 4:10 . . God, who is the savior of all men all the elect
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