Whom Did Christ Die For?
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I believe no one can come to Jesus unless the father draws them. I have stated this many times. I even stated God drew me for over a year before I was saved..Sadly your stuck trying to force MY belief into what you think I believe and not listening to a word.
Sadly this usually happens in these discussions..
Sadly this usually happens in these discussions..
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so you accused me of not believing that God draws people to himself
You accuse me of saying Paul was wrong. when in fact, I said no such thing, I stated Paul said many things and they are all right.
I even gave you examples of different things Paul said. and added what Jesus said
And your going to sit here and treat me like its all my fault because you are reading what you want to see. and not what I am saying
Dude stop trying to blame shift. I have not run from anything, But here you are running from every thing I have said which would counter what you are saying. why is this? Because you can't?
You accuse me of saying Paul was wrong. when in fact, I said no such thing, I stated Paul said many things and they are all right.
I even gave you examples of different things Paul said. and added what Jesus said
And your going to sit here and treat me like its all my fault because you are reading what you want to see. and not what I am saying
Dude stop trying to blame shift. I have not run from anything, But here you are running from every thing I have said which would counter what you are saying. why is this? Because you can't?
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A scripture quoting contest with you is not really worthwhile, for you feel able to turn any verse on its head you feel is neccessary to keep to your preconceived ideas. . I did respond to your whosever believes, by pointing out no one can believe unless the Father draws them to Christ. And as Paul said in Eph1:11...
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let me try one more time, Maybe you missed it
The reason I asked if Jesus was God.
Matthew 23:37
Jesus Laments over Jerusalem
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
How often, - Jesus is not talking about his ministry here on earth. Or he would have said, I so badly want, but you are not listening
Is Jesus God? - Jesus is speaking of the truth. From the time they entered the promised lan, God wanted to take them under his wing. Did God get his will? Or did God not see his will fulfilled?
But you were unwilling - there it is in black and white. God gave them free will to chose to accept his protection and blessings, And they chose year after year after year to rebell..
So was paul right? Yes he was right
Does God overrule mans free will to get his will accomplished? no..
let me try one more time, Maybe you missed it
The reason I asked if Jesus was God.
Matthew 23:37
Jesus Laments over Jerusalem
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
How often, - Jesus is not talking about his ministry here on earth. Or he would have said, I so badly want, but you are not listening
Is Jesus God? - Jesus is speaking of the truth. From the time they entered the promised lan, God wanted to take them under his wing. Did God get his will? Or did God not see his will fulfilled?
But you were unwilling - there it is in black and white. God gave them free will to chose to accept his protection and blessings, And they chose year after year after year to rebell..
So was paul right? Yes he was right
Does God overrule mans free will to get his will accomplished? no..
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0 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory
He died for my sins.
1 Corinthians 15:3
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
And for the worlds;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Not just good news, but the best news ever!
1 Corinthians 15:3
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
And for the worlds;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Not just good news, but the best news ever!
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You do not get to go to romans 9 until you first respond to my verse.. We do not play those games, Especially after you attacked me for supposedly ignoring your ephesians verse
Practice what you preach my Friend, Or show the room your a hypocrite
once again!!!
Matthew 23:37
Jesus Laments over Jerusalem
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
How often, - Jesus is not talking about his ministry here on earth. Or he would have said, I so badly want, but you are not listening
Is Jesus God? - Jesus is speaking of the truth. From the time they entered the promised lan, God wanted to take them under his wing. Did God get his will? Or did God not see his will fulfilled?
But you were unwilling - there it is in black and white. God gave them free will to chose to accept his protection and blessings, And they chose year after year after year to rebell..
So was paul right? Yes he was right
Does God overrule mans free will to get his will accomplished? no..
Practice what you preach my Friend, Or show the room your a hypocrite
once again!!!
Matthew 23:37
Jesus Laments over Jerusalem
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
How often, - Jesus is not talking about his ministry here on earth. Or he would have said, I so badly want, but you are not listening
Is Jesus God? - Jesus is speaking of the truth. From the time they entered the promised lan, God wanted to take them under his wing. Did God get his will? Or did God not see his will fulfilled?
But you were unwilling - there it is in black and white. God gave them free will to chose to accept his protection and blessings, And they chose year after year after year to rebell..
So was paul right? Yes he was right
Does God overrule mans free will to get his will accomplished? no..
Matthew 23:37
Jesus Laments over Jerusalem
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
How often, - Jesus is not talking about his ministry here on earth. Or he would have said, I so badly want, but you are not listening
Is Jesus God? - Jesus is speaking of the truth. From the time they entered the promised lan, God wanted to take them under his wing. Did God get his will? Or did God not see his will fulfilled?
But you were unwilling - there it is in black and white. God gave them free will to chose to accept his protection and blessings, And they chose year after year after year to rebell..
Was Gods will accomplished??
Jesus Laments over Jerusalem
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
How often, - Jesus is not talking about his ministry here on earth. Or he would have said, I so badly want, but you are not listening
Is Jesus God? - Jesus is speaking of the truth. From the time they entered the promised lan, God wanted to take them under his wing. Did God get his will? Or did God not see his will fulfilled?
But you were unwilling - there it is in black and white. God gave them free will to chose to accept his protection and blessings, And they chose year after year after year to rebell..
Was Gods will accomplished??