Agreed. You cannot be acting in free will if you are under obligation and risk of penalty.I think that’s why it’s called “freewill”
Christian Tithe?
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No such thing in the House of God
No such thing in the heart of a child of God.
In denominationalism, yes
In man made churches, yes
Is your minister paid, (a hireling), then yes.
I’d rather just go to a church that asks for money because the reality is they need it to keep the lights on and whatever else.
Creating this Bible-based doctrine and attempting to leverage it against congregants to get their money isn’t a New Testament idea.
So for me I would probably just confront the brains behind the operation and see if we can come to an understanding or leave the congregation.
Creating this Bible-based doctrine and attempting to leverage it against congregants to get their money isn’t a New Testament idea.
So for me I would probably just confront the brains behind the operation and see if we can come to an understanding or leave the congregation.
2 John 1:9 KJV
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Abide and be a co labourer with God.
Cain was cheerful, until God didn't accept his offering, because it came not alongside what God requested.
Gen 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
They no longer do that in BDF? For shame! That's like christianchat's version of WWE's Royal Rumble.
Yes, as they should. Because of his stories, not because of the language in which they were written.
I had an English teacher in the 8th or 9th grade that made us memorize the prologue to the Canterbury Tales in old English....
It was a valuable exercise, in that it showed us how language has evolved..... but in my lifetime since then, I have never had the occasion to read anything in old English, much less study something...
"what light through yonder window breaks?' Students STILL are asking "what does that mean?"
enough of that, however. Back to your original program.... another expired equine that requires a good thrashing with mis-applied scriptures (in ancient English, of course)
Alas, tis truth what thou speaketh. I shall say more lest I no more see thee anon. I care exceedingly more than I leadth on and, I daresay, evenmoreso than I shouldst desireth to ever care.
SoYes, as they should. Because of his stories, not because of the language in which they were written.
I had an English teacher in the 8th or 9th grade that made us memorize the prologue to the Canterbury Tales in old English....
It was a valuable exercise, in that it showed us how language has evolved..... but in my lifetime since then, I have never had the occasion to read anything in old English, much less study something...
"what light through yonder window breaks?' Students STILL are asking "what does that mean?"
enough of that, however. Back to your original program.... another expired equine that requires a good thrashing with mis-applied scriptures (in ancient English, of course)
“Our Father and Mother in heaven”
Is easier to understand?
This is my story on the subject of tithing (giving).
For many years, like so many here, I looked for excuses not to tithe. There are many scriptures quote here in this thread that provided me with excellent excuses, and I claimed at least one every time I got paid. I always gave a little here or there, and put a few dollars into the youth ministry, but it was a drop in the bucket to what God expected of me.
That all changed many years ago. I was making out my checks to pay my monthly bills, when I heard this voice in back of me saying "where's mine". I looked around, saw no one, checked my checks, and mailed them. This went on for several months until I read Malachi 3:8-10.
Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me. But you say, In what have we robbed You? In the tithe and the offering!
Mal 3:9 You are cursed with a curse; for you are robbing Me, the nation, all of it.
Mal 3:10 Bring all the tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house. And test Me now with this, says Jehovah of Hosts, to see if I will not open the windows of Heaven for you, and pour out a blessing for you, until there is not enough room. MKJV
I stopped looking for a reason (excuse), and started to tithe. This is my first priority every month. I have always had enough to pay my bills, and very few times has a month passed that I haven't added money to my savings. When a need arises, I take it to Jesus. He always provides me a way to meet it.
If you are one of those who continuously look to the scriptures for an excuse to not give on a regular basis (tithe), stop. Enjoy the blessings that God provides. There is nothing like the pleasure I get when a young couple dedicates their lives to Christ and a few years later dedicate their children to Christ. I will continue to tithe until God takes me home. I hope that everyone here will commit to a regular giving routine, and stop worrying about whether it is required or not.
For many years, like so many here, I looked for excuses not to tithe. There are many scriptures quote here in this thread that provided me with excellent excuses, and I claimed at least one every time I got paid. I always gave a little here or there, and put a few dollars into the youth ministry, but it was a drop in the bucket to what God expected of me.
That all changed many years ago. I was making out my checks to pay my monthly bills, when I heard this voice in back of me saying "where's mine". I looked around, saw no one, checked my checks, and mailed them. This went on for several months until I read Malachi 3:8-10.
Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me. But you say, In what have we robbed You? In the tithe and the offering!
Mal 3:9 You are cursed with a curse; for you are robbing Me, the nation, all of it.
Mal 3:10 Bring all the tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house. And test Me now with this, says Jehovah of Hosts, to see if I will not open the windows of Heaven for you, and pour out a blessing for you, until there is not enough room. MKJV
I stopped looking for a reason (excuse), and started to tithe. This is my first priority every month. I have always had enough to pay my bills, and very few times has a month passed that I haven't added money to my savings. When a need arises, I take it to Jesus. He always provides me a way to meet it.
If you are one of those who continuously look to the scriptures for an excuse to not give on a regular basis (tithe), stop. Enjoy the blessings that God provides. There is nothing like the pleasure I get when a young couple dedicates their lives to Christ and a few years later dedicate their children to Christ. I will continue to tithe until God takes me home. I hope that everyone here will commit to a regular giving routine, and stop worrying about whether it is required or not.
????? What do you mean by that?
Is this the scripture you are referencing? Where did the "Mother" part come from?
“Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father, who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10 Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil...."
The Church of England is changing the word God, its recent news but a very ancient belief.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/re...ral-pronouns-when-referring-to-god--c-9705081
Tithe:
A pattern for giving in the OT.
Not stated as an obligation in the NT.
I like what D. Jackman said on this:
"The NT emphasis on generous giving, militates against the idea of a percentage levy. Since some would be able to give far more than 10%, and some, for a time, may not even be able to give that."
The NT does not lay down the principle of the tithe.
Neither, does it set it aside, specifically.
1 Cor. 15:58
Therefore my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
After Paul's SPECTACULAR chapter on the resurrection(1 Cor.15), he then directly brings us down to practical administration in ch. 16.
It is a matter of some significance and concern. The collection. Or offering. A MECHANISM, used to help the poor back in Jerusalem.
I believe, that it's not unreasonable to assume that the NT presupposes that the giving of God's people would be more than equal to the standard pattern used under the old covenant.
Forget the word tithe(tenth).
Do you not see a continual thread throughout God's word that speaks to regularity in our giving? Do you not think we should give regularly and proportionally?
I pray the good Lord bless us in His will.
If you have a legislative position you would like to propose...
enter below. ⬇
A pattern for giving in the OT.
Not stated as an obligation in the NT.
I like what D. Jackman said on this:
"The NT emphasis on generous giving, militates against the idea of a percentage levy. Since some would be able to give far more than 10%, and some, for a time, may not even be able to give that."
The NT does not lay down the principle of the tithe.
Neither, does it set it aside, specifically.
1 Cor. 15:58
Therefore my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
After Paul's SPECTACULAR chapter on the resurrection(1 Cor.15), he then directly brings us down to practical administration in ch. 16.
It is a matter of some significance and concern. The collection. Or offering. A MECHANISM, used to help the poor back in Jerusalem.
I believe, that it's not unreasonable to assume that the NT presupposes that the giving of God's people would be more than equal to the standard pattern used under the old covenant.
Forget the word tithe(tenth).
Do you not see a continual thread throughout God's word that speaks to regularity in our giving? Do you not think we should give regularly and proportionally?
I pray the good Lord bless us in His will.
If you have a legislative position you would like to propose...
enter below. ⬇
"Balderdash"...This is a word I have not heard for a long time...very descriptive!
Also agree with your point...
He doesn't require us to throw ourselves into the fire, He loves us and wants the best for us.