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shittim

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Gives meaning to the description of it being a revealed faith, He will grow us as much as we will be grown.:)(y):unsure::coffee:
 

Blain

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If you love me you will keep my commands.
Not to mention Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law but fulfill it David even praised God for his law because lived in the kingdom he saw and had the life that obedience brings it's not a sacrifice or something that shows us where we are lacking it isn't about us it's about him and obedience.

I would even dare people to take the ten commandments and for seven days live each moment in obdeience to it just to be obedient not to worry about whether you keep it fully or if you are lacking just do it purely to be obedient to him and see what blessings will flood your life
 

ButterflyJones

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Not to mention Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law but fulfill it David even praised God for his law because lived in the kingdom he saw and had the life that obedience brings it's not a sacrifice or something that shows us where we are lacking it isn't about us it's about him and obedience.

I would even dare people to take the ten commandments and for seven days live each moment in obdeience to it just to be obedient not to worry about whether you keep it fully or if you are lacking just do it purely to be obedient to him and see what blessings will flood your life
I know a few Christians who will insist the ten commandments were the law of Moses and as such no longer matter to the Christian.

I ask them if they can recall them. Not necessarily in order. Most can't.

Very strange way of thinking.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I know a few Christians who will insist the ten commandments were the law of Moses and as such no longer matter to the Christian.

I ask them if they can recall them. Not necessarily in order. Most can't.

Very strange way of thinking.
The Ten Commandments tell
You what not to do

“Thou shalt not commit adultery “ is a commandment to sinners of what not to do

christians have a better word that teaches us what to do to live upright lives and inherit everlasting life

rather than teaching us what not to do or we will die.

The Ten Commandments are the foundation of Moses law and what it’s sections are built upon all 613 commands relate to the ten general commandments

It’s like saying “ the ten beatitudes are part of the gospel “

The Ten Commandments are definately the old covenant law mediated by Moses but surely even to a Christian th y still define what sin is so they matter very much they teach us out sin so we can repent

If I know it’s wrong to kill I no longer need to yoke that law before my eyes it’s written on my heart already my conscience . if I think adultery is not an issue I need to hear about adultery being sin and a death sentance so I’ll repent

In other words the law is for sinners and the gospel is for the born again children of God they don’t kill and steal nd lie and cheat thier too busy following Jesus and his words living after the truth to need to be taught not to kill again or have false gods they have now met him and are following him they would t worship other gods because they have the gospel and believe
 

Blain

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The Ten Commandments tell
You what not to do

“Thou shalt not commit adultery “ is a commandment to sinners of what not to do

christians have a better word that teaches us what to do to live upright lives and inherit everlasting life

rather than teaching us what not to do or we will die.

The Ten Commandments are the foundation of Moses law and what it’s sections are built upon all 613 commands relate to the ten general commandments

It’s like saying “ the ten beatitudes are part of the gospel “

The Ten Commandments are definately the old covenant law mediated by Moses but surely even to a Christian th y still define what sin is so they matter very much they teach us out sin so we can repent

If I know it’s wrong to kill I no longer need to yoke that law before my eyes it’s written on my heart already my conscience . if I think adultery is not an issue I need to hear about adultery being sin and a death sentance so I’ll repent

In other words the law is for sinners and the gospel is for the born again children of God they don’t kill and steal nd lie and cheat thier too busy following Jesus and his words living after the truth to need to be taught not to kill again or have false gods they have now met him and are following him they would t worship other gods because they have the gospel and believe
It isn't that it's telling us what not to do it begins with the first one to have no other Gods before him he says this then proceeds to give the rest in the form of things not to do but there is a clever formula here that he put in place

The first commandment is the base for the formula you have to start and focus there before going to the next one he says to have no other Gods before him this means he wants our entire focus he wants us to seek the kingdom first this is the thing that gives life and glory to the one who obeys the rest of the commandments without understanding this commandment you can never fulfill it and the point isn't to be able to get it perfect the point is that you did it and do it based on the first commandment.

This is when the vaults of heaven pour out the commandments are basically God saying hey if you listen to me on this I will give you a million dollars. This is jjust an example but the thing is it's kind of unfair all we have to do is have him first and the rest of the commandments just naturally follow and then we get rewarded and blessed simply for listening and obeying a huge payload that seems undeserving
 
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Tuesday 2-7-23 3rd. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Shavat 15 5783 49th. Winter Day

Luke 17
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
Amen. We all have a duty that is required of us.
 
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The kingdom of heaven is within us.

Makes you wonder who the birds of the air are. Starting to see why the kingdom of heaven is within you, literally?

Matthew 13
31Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
 

Pilgrimshope

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It isn't that it's telling us what not to do it begins with the first one to have no other Gods before him he says this then proceeds to give the rest in the form of things not to do but there is a clever formula here that he put in place

The first commandment is the base for the formula you have to start and focus there before going to the next one he says to have no other Gods before him this means he wants our entire focus he wants us to seek the kingdom first this is the thing that gives life and glory to the one who obeys the rest of the commandments without understanding this commandment you can never fulfill it and the point isn't to be able to get it perfect the point is that you did it and do it based on the first commandment.

This is when the vaults of heaven pour out the commandments are basically God saying hey if you listen to me on this I will give you a million dollars. This is jjust an example but the thing is it's kind of unfair all we have to do is have him first and the rest of the commandments just naturally follow and then we get rewarded and blessed simply for listening and obeying a huge payload that seems undeserving
“It isn't that it's telling us what not to do it begins with the first one to have no other Gods before him”

brother he tells them not to make graven images of god to bow down and worship them

think about that for a moment of man understood anything at all they would understand WE are the image of God but man became corrupt and was filled with good and evil. Then later man began worshipping images of calves and goats and alligators and stars ect then after that came the law to teach us its sin .

what I’m saying is this the law tells sinners what they better not do

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see killers need to be taught killing is sin and it’s a death sentance to mankind.

Those who make idols and worship false gods need to be taught that only the true God gives eternal life all other gods will lead the person to death

those who steal need to be taught do not steal th owe who cheat on spouses and have wandering eyes need to be taught how serious adultery is to God

The law is how mankind knows what sin is and sin is “what not to do “

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: (?the law can’t justify anyone )for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law is teaching man what not to do think about it brother the things they were told to do the ordinances and sabbaths and washings and ceremonies and sacrifices and atonement prices ect ect ect are all gone from the gospel

but what I’m saying is , the understanding that adultery is sin is still there to a Christian ot still teaches us about sin so we can repent. In other words “by the law is the knowledge of sin “ like Paul wrote there

you know how I spoke about figures and fulfillments ?

“And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,

and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:9, 16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is what’s said after they receive the law of Moses

“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15‬ ‭KJV‬

And then this is the gospel which notice has to come after the first takes it’s course because it’s about coming from death into life

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

I hear what your saying about a proscription but the laws whole finction on earth is to make mankknd aware of the corruption of sin and where it leads those who won’t repent

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

sin order to repent of sin mankind has to know what it is or else you have a lawless world like this before the law came

The law came because we became this

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So the law has to teach man about wickedness and our own culpability and inclusion in it , and that Godnis going to utterly destroy it all so new need to repent from participating in it we need to turn and leave soddom and Gomorrah Ike we still can because there’s a fire coming

the way we need to go the way to live right what we need to do is found in the gospel it’s fragmented pieces scattered about in the law here and there the gospel strips out everything but life and freedom and Holy Ghost nd looses all the dead wieght because we’re not who we were we need a New Testament
 

Pilgrimshope

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Not to mention Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law but fulfill it David even praised God for his law because lived in the kingdom he saw and had the life that obedience brings it's not a sacrifice or something that shows us where we are lacking it isn't about us it's about him and obedience.

I would even dare people to take the ten commandments and for seven days live each moment in obdeience to it just to be obedient not to worry about whether you keep it fully or if you are lacking just do it purely to be obedient to him and see what blessings will flood your life
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law ( 613 commands ) to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But before faith came, we were kept under the law,

shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;

that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law and the prophets were until John:

( afterwards revealed ) since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Why until John ?

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”( the gospel )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We want the promised covenant
 

Blain

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“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law ( 613 commands ) to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But before faith came, we were kept under the law,

shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;

that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law and the prophets were until John:

( afterwards revealed ) since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Why until John ?

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”( the gospel )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We want the promised covenant
We have the old testament and the new testament the old and new covanent but we still call the entire book the word of God and every word written in there should be seen and treated as if God himself spoke and what he speaks never goes away his word is law no excuses no interpretation what he says goes.

So the commands he gives is not to be questioned because it is law. But the curse of law was done in fleshly manner no one could measure up and it pointed out every failure in them. But then why when someone would follow his law even in the old testament was it a blessing on them instead of a curse? the key to understanding the law is in that and then you have Jesus coming in fulfilling the law and if he isn't your example then you should be worried. But see he didn't get rid of the law he added to it, God doesn't remove truth he only builds upon it.
 

Blain

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I don't know what is going on here but the site is being wierd on my end so I am trying to respond to you but it's being wierd so I wanted to say that all you wrote was absolutely amazing you have all the right materials I just think we need to tweak some things. Yes the law is and was for sinners but we are the image of God Jesus became the law and fulfilled it so therefore if we are the image of Christ then we carry the law with us just as he did that is how you not only have life from it but it is written on your heart and you radiate it from within and people in sin won't like it even believers who need to be reminded so they stay on the straight and narrow path.

The law is the law but more than that and one thing to always remember is that it is the word of almighty God you can't pick and choose which part of his word goes here or there if he speaks it you don't question it and he never speaks something that won't benefit us he is for us not against us so if he gave us the law in scripture at the surface yeah it looks like a bad thing for the believer in Christ but that is only the first dimension the truth of matter goes beyond the curse or blessibg if the law or whether it is for us or not there is a much deeper message in the ten commandments we have to not look at it with our eyes or our thinking we have to change and rewire our thinking and at the very least know that all truth and all of the word of God leads directly to Jesus and only he can give us the eyes to see and ears to hear the bible is just the starting point Jesus is way up there he wants us to ascend to greater hights and understanding but that means we are going to have get a different set of eyes and thinking