Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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At a time of God's choosing, for those of the elect, He takes them from under the law of sin and death and places them
under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, at which time they become born again. Until then, the elect too are sinners
because until then they have not been justified by Christ.
[Rom 8:1-2 KJV]
1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, at which time they become born again. Until then, the elect too are sinners
because until then they have not been justified by Christ.
[Rom 8:1-2 KJV]
1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
I think there are more but am getting a little tired now so I'll try to find and post them later. In the below,
Esau is a picture of the non-elect, Jacob of the elect.
[Rom 9:11, 13-16, 18, 20-21 KJV]
11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
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13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. ...
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. ...
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Esau is a picture of the non-elect, Jacob of the elect.
[Rom 9:11, 13-16, 18, 20-21 KJV]
11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
...13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. ...
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. ...
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
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I think there are more but am getting a little tired now so I'll try to find and post them later. In the below,
Esau is a picture of the non-elect, Jacob of the elect.
[Rom 9:11, 13-16, 18, 20-21 KJV]
11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth ...
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. ...
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. ...
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Esau is a picture of the non-elect, Jacob of the elect.
[Rom 9:11, 13-16, 18, 20-21 KJV]
11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
...13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. ...
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. ...
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What then of John 3:16?
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There are two worlds described in the Bible: this current world which will be destroyed by God
and the one to come which is the eternal one. The world that is to come is the one God so loved.
Given that this world is to be destroyed and the next eternal, if this is the world He loves,
then it would mean that either God can't save what He loves or can't destroy what He hates.
[Jhn 18:36 KJV]
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
[Heb 6:5 KJV]
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
and the one to come which is the eternal one. The world that is to come is the one God so loved.
Given that this world is to be destroyed and the next eternal, if this is the world He loves,
then it would mean that either God can't save what He loves or can't destroy what He hates.
[Jhn 18:36 KJV]
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
[Heb 6:5 KJV]
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
These too. If God warns us not to love this current world, then He cannot love it either and John 3:16 does not have this one in view.
[1Jo 2:15-17 KJV]
15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
[1Jo 2:15-17 KJV]
15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Except it is this world that God so loved as to send his only begotten son to it. That those whom God called to his grace would be saved from not only the sin that assured the second death but to also save those still here from the world's end.
Jesus' kingdom is not of this world because that is not just heaven but is also what resides inside every saint,redeemed reborn former sinner now eternally alive in that spirit of God's eternal grace.
God doesn't hate sinners. Our souls , all souls, are God's and of and from God. When our flesh is done it returns to dust. While the souls return to God who gave them to us.
If God hates the spirit iof the sinner he hates his own creation of himself. I don't believe that to be true.
Jesus' kingdom is not of this world because that is not just heaven but is also what resides inside every saint,redeemed reborn former sinner now eternally alive in that spirit of God's eternal grace.
God doesn't hate sinners. Our souls , all souls, are God's and of and from God. When our flesh is done it returns to dust. While the souls return to God who gave them to us.
If God hates the spirit iof the sinner he hates his own creation of himself. I don't believe that to be true.
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Well, the whosoever of the "whosoever believes" are the elect because true faith is a gift only given by the fruit of the Spirit to the born-again. Therefore, only they can truly believe. The world He died for is the world to come, not this world - this world will be destroyed in its entirety - heavens, earth and all that is in it. Had Jesus not died for the elect, then there would be no world to come because there would be no one to inhabit it. In so dying, He, at the same time, died for the world to come. Additionally, this world and everything in it is to be destroyed by fire so it can't be the one that God so loved. We are clearly told this in the below.
[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[2Pe 3:10, 12 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ...
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[2Pe 3:13 KJV]
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
[Rev 21:2 KJV]
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[2Pe 3:10, 12 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ...
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[2Pe 3:13 KJV]
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
[Rev 21:2 KJV]
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Those saved alone, will occupy the new heavens and earth. All that remains in this one will be cast into the lake of fire
God hates unsaved man because by their unbelief, they, in effect, call Him a liar in not trusting the perfect efficacy of Christ and in His offering.
[Rev 20:15 KJV] 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
[1Jo 5:10 KJV] 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
God hates unsaved man because by their unbelief, they, in effect, call Him a liar in not trusting the perfect efficacy of Christ and in His offering.
[Rev 20:15 KJV] 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
[1Jo 5:10 KJV] 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.