Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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That is what Peter is talking about.
Peter said they were saved but they continued in their sin and became what they did.
Have you never seen someone at the altar and pray through but never see that person in church ever again but at the bars and chasing women like he threw that precious moment with God away?
If you ever been a part of a Church you will see this happen at least 10 times in your lifetime.
That is 2 Peter 2:20!
Peter said they were saved but they continued in their sin and became what they did.
Have you never seen someone at the altar and pray through but never see that person in church ever again but at the bars and chasing women like he threw that precious moment with God away?
If you ever been a part of a Church you will see this happen at least 10 times in your lifetime.
That is 2 Peter 2:20!
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I'm more focused on the first part, I don't think many here would agree with that comment. But to the second part...
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. [25] Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. [26] Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air; [27] but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified
"Lest I myself become a castaway."
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, [20] idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, [21] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
"Why warn them about the possibility of not “inherit[ing] the kingdom of God” if they are in no danger whatsoever of losing it? That makes no sense. Why would Paul use the word “warn” if it didn’t also apply to real potential danger in the spiritual lives of his Galatian recipients?"
Galatians 5:1, 4 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. . . . [4] You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Ephesians 5:3, 5 But fornication and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints. . . . [5] Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
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No need to apologize.
The only "Script" I have in my head is THE Script-ures!
BTW, I believe months ago I posted the 101 Bible reasons to support Eternal Security. I think in YOUR thread here. Did catch where you bebutted each and every one of them. Do you need another posting of them
This could really help with your "striving".
The only "Script" I have in my head is THE Script-ures!
BTW, I believe months ago I posted the 101 Bible reasons to support Eternal Security. I think in YOUR thread here. Did catch where you bebutted each and every one of them. Do you need another posting of them
This could really help with your "striving".
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Ok lets start here
Salvation is a gift not a reward.
A reward is earned by works. Salvation, being a gift, can not be earned.
Paul spoke of being disqualified not to be a child of God (no one is qualified for that) but to teach..
As for falling from Grace
Grace was offered to them, they had it in their hands, They chose law and rejected grace. So in effect. They fell from Grace.
as for eph 5. You just disqualified king david. Abraham, and many many people who had these sins,, according to the law. They are cursed.
But remember those of pau. But such were some of you. But you were washed, sanctified etc etc. He did not say they stopped those sins, he was they were cleansed of them
Salvation is a gift not a reward.
A reward is earned by works. Salvation, being a gift, can not be earned.
Paul spoke of being disqualified not to be a child of God (no one is qualified for that) but to teach..
As for falling from Grace
Grace was offered to them, they had it in their hands, They chose law and rejected grace. So in effect. They fell from Grace.
as for eph 5. You just disqualified king david. Abraham, and many many people who had these sins,, according to the law. They are cursed.
But remember those of pau. But such were some of you. But you were washed, sanctified etc etc. He did not say they stopped those sins, he was they were cleansed of them
Those saved always have knowledge, but not all those with knowledge are of the saved.
Those saved always have true faith, but not all those with knowledge have true faith.
Many may have superficial knowledge of Christ through their own human intellect, and some may even believe for a short while, but should they fall from it (and they will), their faith was not a true faith, and they, therefore, could never have been of the saved.
Peter said as much in the salutation of 2 Peter 2:1 (same book). He tells us in it that he is addressing those who have true faith.
How did they get it? By their knowledge? Nope! But by the righteousness of Christ and not of themselves. And if by Christ's righteousness, then it cannot be lost by man's unrighteousness.
[2Pe 1:1 KJV]
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Those saved always have true faith, but not all those with knowledge have true faith.
Many may have superficial knowledge of Christ through their own human intellect, and some may even believe for a short while, but should they fall from it (and they will), their faith was not a true faith, and they, therefore, could never have been of the saved.
Peter said as much in the salutation of 2 Peter 2:1 (same book). He tells us in it that he is addressing those who have true faith.
How did they get it? By their knowledge? Nope! But by the righteousness of Christ and not of themselves. And if by Christ's righteousness, then it cannot be lost by man's unrighteousness.
[2Pe 1:1 KJV]
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: