Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[ThereRoseaLamb]

No, now I'm sticking to the scriptures.

As am I.

 

[Blain]

Slow your roll, hero. I support your position regarding the magnitude of Christ’s complete work resulting in the irrevocable gift of our salvation, so take your misguided indignation elsewhere. Talk about petty arguments,

Hero? please try again/ This has nothing to do with me or you it is about the kingdom. You know this isn't easy for me can you imagine how hard the white background is on my eyes? I have tried to heal my eyes for six years and now their at the point where I can barely see what is front of me in fact being on here damahes my eyes but yet I do this because I gave my whole to him until he gives the red light and until my eyes go away completely I am not stopping im not playing games and neither is he.

I am always at his door just waiting for the next oppertunity to sow into the kingdom. I have something with him now that you don't I may be physically blind but he gave me new eyes and trust me I am in no way good at this yet it isn't something you just wake up and are abke to walk in it's growing and training process with him and as I have said over and over it is all about surrender and trust me I had to go through hell to be brought to my knees I can't decsribe what all I have been through because quite frankly that would take a long time write but it did bring me to that spirit of surrender and when that happened I made it to the other side I have been before the throne I saw for myself where is calling all of us.

I experiebced the kingdom and I brought it back with me and Im sure you don't appreciate what I say or the method I do it but in a different synch with him I don't post words I am consumed by this fire and just pour everything he says amd yeah there is anger there because he is angry he is sick of waiting for his church to rise and live in his kingdom he has told us over and over about the kingdom but see if we lived in the kingdom we would understand this reality is a lie just a flat out lie he calls us further he is calling us to a higher realm of existance where you and him are so intertwined you cant tell the difference between yourself and him

Just imagine for a second being in such a position with him that if you went against the armies of satan if you slep the face of the enemy that was a slap from the hand of Jesus

But thisn't about power or anything it is about the kingdom your not going to be given authority in Christ just by saying he is your savior you need to get on his frequency or all of this won't make sense to you

This isn't a time to be the casual Christian he wants hard workers not lazy ones snd you can think your in good standing with him all you but I am warning you if your every desire if your every action is not based first in sowing into the kingdom living his kingdom and his will be done then your not in this not really and he will spit on your name either go all in with him or not

All I know to do with my circumstances and limitations is be a conduit for him and I know people wont like it nut im going to keep going until he says stop don't make the mistake of thinking what I am doing is misguaded because if you can't read what I am saying and see truth in it then your the misguided one you deaf blind and ignorant child The main point in all my words is about the kingdom and the revelation of Jesus christ I am telling you how to get there but your not listening I made a thread and spoke many things but the message is glossed over because of the mindset people have. Im not asking you to listen I am telling you and there isn't a lot of time left to do so don't test his patience

 

[Blain]

It goes on record here,
That post loves @Blain amd @Mem and @cv5
And so much, all of you

You are loved and honored as well my friend and if you could pray for strength for me as I go on this demanding journey with God because it is draining and I have always had the issue of loving to work but overdoing it I can easily overwork myself so I need the capacity to to blitze forwards with every calling he gives me but the serenity to know when to rest

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I'm talking about difficult contentious passages dealing with what some people call "losing your salvation" or the equivalent. This was obvious......as I specified passages earlier.

The simplicity of the Gospel message of salvation can be understood by a child.

Evidently you failed to comprehend the difference?

Every single Scripture I have presented, someone has said it doesn't mean what it is. Now brother that cannot be possible.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

It goes on record here,
That post loves @Blain amd @Mem and @cv5
And so much, all of you

Are we not all brothers and sisters here? Can we not agree and still be in fellowship? I have agreed with all three and have disagreed with all three and still consider them brothers in Christ that I respect.

 

[posthuman]

Dear brother, you must understand that people read the Bible and seriously search for answers. I take it no small task to read and understand the Word. I have unsaved loved ones, I want to be sure I know what I am talking about when to comes to salvation. But I see too many Scriptures that say you can walk away from salvation. I don't you can "loose" your salvation like a sock, and I don't believe anyone can take it away from you. But I can only make a conclusion by what I see in the Word. There are too many verses that indicate you can turn away from the truth.







Sorry, I disagree, doctrine is how we come to find the truth, it's very important. And I don't think there is anyone who doesn't take this topic seriously.

i trust the One Who saves me to save me

to the uttermost

even from myself

in point of fact, "from myself" is the very most poignant need of salvation - if He cannot do that, there is no such thing as salvation and all religion is vanity

Not everyone who calls themselves Christian agrees to this - many are trusting themselves. Not so post: i know the worthlessness of men and the glory of God

 

[posthuman]

Are we not all brothers and sisters here?

Sadly, no.

 

[posthuman]

Can we not agree and still be in fellowship?

Sadly, no.

Many claim the name of Christ but do not acknowledge Him as a Savior, thinking instead of Him as a merean, and the gospel as merely a second have to keep ((selected parts of)) the law and inherit salvation through works

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

i trust the One Who saves me to save me

to the uttermost

even from myself

in point of fact, "from myself" is the very most poignant need of salvation - if He cannot do that, there is no such thing as salvation and all religion is vanity

Not everyone who calls themselves Christian agrees to this - many are trusting themselves. Not so post: i know the worthlessness of men and the glory of God

I don't believe some are elected and some are fitted for destruction. I believe the Holy Spirit draws us to Christ. I do not believe certain people are not capable of responding to the Gospel. I do not believe that is God's character. I believe that we can respond to the free gift of salvation and I believe we can walk away. All that I read in the Word tells me this. I am willing to listen, and I have read much of this thread. I see sincerity on both sides. To say I do not trust the Lord because I believe the Word warns us we call fall away from the faith is utterly unfair.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Sadly, no.

In what manner?

 

[Blain]

Every single Scripture I have presented, someone has said it doesn't mean what it is. Now brother that cannot be possible.

thats because it isn't there is only one truth you can read scripture or even use it if you don't first have the truth your eyes and understanding will only be your own leading you down the mindset of doctrine.

Look at the fruits of doctrine llok at what it does it causes division amogst the body firstly and the human body works like a machine and if one thing is wrong with the body affects the rest of the body if we arent working at full capicity what good are to the cause of Christ?

God isnt about doctrine he is about truth every doctrine ever always leads down one path that branches to another but that makes for a confusing path and there is only one path to the truth but your focus will decide where you go you can go down the path that leads you to the truth or you can go down the path of doctrine but if the word of God seems to say one thing and then another then that might be a red flag to rewire your thinking the word of God is the word of God not just ink on a book or words on your phone app it is him speaking but what is he saying?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Sadly, no.

Many claim the name of Christ but do not acknowledge Him as a Savior,

I hope you aren't pointing that finger in my direction post.

inherit salvation through works

I do not believe in salvation through works and have stated that many times.

 

[Blain]

Sadly, no.

Many claim the name of Christ but do not acknowledge Him as a Savior, thinking instead of Him as a merean, and the gospel as merely a second have to keep ((selected parts of)) the law and inherit salvation through works

I have to admit it is reassuring to have a brother who understands what God has been speaking I understand people want to get along but I simply cannot do that like I said before I am here to make a mess im not here to be polite anymore im here to spread the massage and shake the church awake even if I have to be harsh with them



Debates discussions theology what one person says is truth while another says otherwise this is going to stop This was never about doctrine or debates it's about his kingdom and there is life in his kingdom but you may be grafted into the kingdom but if you don't live in it can you really say your in the kingdom?

What we know of God who he is who we are in him what the kingdom of God actually is all of this and more are given to us and I mean really given to us like there is a side of him that will leave you bewildered you will know what the fear of the Lord and you will be blessed for it and be a blessing to others you bring the kingdom with you and you sow into the kingdom in everything your mission is the kingdom and to bring others into this kingdom because living in his glory and his wonder is a gift that you cannot help but share your rich now and you sow those riches to the poor and the kingdom but im not talking about mans currency im talking about heavens currency and you cant reap what you do not so

 

[Blain]

I hope you aren't pointing that finger in my direction post.



I do not believe in salvation through works and have stated that many times.

And what if he is? would it be so bad to be called out in area we need work on? But no he was talking about the church in general we are dead as the body of Christ that is just fact and to think otherwise is just stupid. Now your take on words just bafffffffffffffffffff me you dopn't seem to understand at all so let me tell you about works. Faith produces works and faith isn't a thing that you have some here and now it is a state of being it is a frequency with him that we should always be in tune with that is what walking in faith is and look at Jesus he walked constantly in this frequency and he did many works not just in miracles but in everything he did and said he wasn't lazy once he had the annointing of the holy spirit he went right to work.

So yeah any works you do will always lead you to where you are now because your not living in faith the kingdom of God wont be in your life until you get into that frequency with him but don't try to make exuses with your issue on works this isnt about works it's about the works of God it is about be a good worker planting the seed of his kingdom in everything we do dont expect a garden if you just going to sit there and hope for seeds to be planted

 

[posthuman]

Your words above are precisely why it’s not petty arguing but rather a sincere effort to have people see the truth regarding the fullness of the Gospel.

Blain isn't terribly wise in terms of knowledge of scripture and deep understanding of doctrine but when he goes on these rants it is 99% worth listening to - the Spirit lives in Blain
I testify to it

Blain has love - therefore Blain has life
Never a good idea to totally ignore @Blain

I don't believe some are elected and some are fitted for destruction. I believe the Holy Spirit draws us to Christ. I do not believe certain people are not capable of responding to the Gospel. I do not believe that is God's character. I believe that we can respond to the free gift of salvation and I believe we can walk away. All that I read in the Word tells me this. I am willing to listen, and I have read much of this thread. I see sincerity on both sides. To say I do not trust the Lord because I believe the Word warns us we call fall away from the faith is utterly unfair.

And this is a great mystery, because predestination is in scripture just as free will is

So instead of this constant stupid argument I think we are all supposed to be in awe:

God has solved what we thought insoluble

 

[posthuman]

I hope you aren't pointing that finger in my direction post.



I do not believe in salvation through works and have stated that many times.

Not at all


I have not of late had the opportunity to read every post and to meditate on every post, but @post holds nothing against you




Post posts what post feels must be posted
Without regard to other posters


Which never means post had no regard for other posters

It only means

Post is post; post posts posthaste.




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¬ post is truly sorry for any confusion

 

[Nehemiah6]

I don't believe Galilean apostles publish today so to qualify as those to whom my comments pertained in these contemporary times.

Well, ordinary "non-scholarly" Spirit-taught Christians fall into the same category. Actually scholars have done more harm than good. Christ and His apostles had nothing to do with the rabbinic schools, and Christians who are smart will avoid today's seminaries like the plague. Almost all of them have compromised Bible truth and Gospel truth.

 

[posthuman]

I have to admit it is reassuring to have a brother who understands what God has been speaking I understand people want to get along but I simply cannot do that like I said before I am here to make a mess im not here to be polite anymore im here to spread the massage and shake the church awake even if I have to be harsh with them



Debates discussions theology what one person says is truth while another says otherwise this is going to stop This was never about doctrine or debates it's about his kingdom and there is life in his kingdom but you may be grafted into the kingdom but if you don't live in it can you really say your in the kingdom?

What we know of God who he is who we are in him what the kingdom of God actually is all of this and more are given to us and I mean really given to us like there is a side of him that will leave you bewildered you will know what the fear of the Lord and you will be blessed for it and be a blessing to others you bring the kingdom with you and you sow into the kingdom in everything your mission is the kingdom and to bring others into this kingdom because living in his glory and his wonder is a gift that you cannot help but share your rich now and you sow those riches to the poor and the kingdom but im not talking about mans currency im talking about heavens currency and you cant reap what you do not so

Growing up in church I heard this story about message all the time that my purpose was to evangelize
But growing up in the Spirit what I have seen is that my purpose is to arm and train those saints who have already been evangelized, and believed - but don't known, what next??

If everyone is a recruiter what sense is that
An army of God 100% noobs?? Huh?!?

Here is a real sword @Blain
Let me help show you how to use it skillfully

My beat guess: I think that is what post is here for =]

 

[posthuman]

My spellcheck is awful.
Sorry.

On saturday - sunday I get to type on a laptop instead of a phone and I get a lot more time to do so - please overlook brother post

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Like I have already mentioned, I do not see a single post that is claiming it's possible to lose Salvation by God not keeping His Promise.

What I can find aligns up with 2 Peter 2:20. Although Peter is discussing false prophets, he is also confirming back sliding.

He shows us the steps of destruction by levels from knowing the Truth about Christ to getting back into old habits that this time becomes such an entanglement that it's basically impossible to escape and ultimately leads to eternal destruction.

Peter shows us in Verse 20 it's a clear choice to leave the Truth and God is allowing it.

How do I know God allows it?

Peter explains they end up in a worse condition than before they knew God.

There's only ONE TRUE WAY to know God. So these people knew God like all of us on this Forum and still continued in their Sin and it became an entanglement they never could recover from.

But what is clear, they were Saved, they continued their old ways, God [[DID NOT]] protect them. He allowed them to Crash and Burn literally for ALL Eternity.

2 Peter 2:20: