Is Michael Another Name For Jesus?

ItsAdventageous · Jan 31, 2023

[06] The Two Princes

There are Two Main Princes [rulers] throughout the scriptures, the King James Bible.

[1.] The Good [Jesus/Michael/[E/I]mmanuel/Lamb, etc], the True and Everlasting “Prince”; who is God, even the Son of the Father, uncreated Creator:

Isaiah 9:6 KJB - “... the Prince of Peace ...”

Daniel 8:11 KJB - “... the Prince of the Host ...”
Daniel 8:25 KJB - “… the Prince of Princes ...”
Daniel 9:25 KJB - “... Messiah the Prince ...”
Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... Michael, one of the Chief Princes ...”
Daniel 10:21 KJB - “... Michael your Prince ...”
Daniel 11:22 KJB - “... the prince of the covenant ...”
Daniel 12:1 KJB - “... Michael … the Great Prince ...”
Acts 3:15 KJB - “... the Prince of Life ...”
Acts 5:31 KJB - “... a Prince and a Saviour ...”
Revelation 1:5 KJB - “... Jesus Christ … Prince of the Kings of the Earth ...”

[2.] The Wicked [Satan/Dragon/Serpent/Devil/Lucifer, etc], the usurping “prince” who is a creature, created [as Lucifer] by the Son of the Father.

Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... the prince of the kingdom of Persia ...”

Daniel 10:20 KJB - “... the prince of Persia ...”

Matthew 9:34 KJB - “... devils through the prince of the devils.”
Matthew 12:24 KJB - “... cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.”
Mark 3:22 KJB - “... Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devil.”
John 12:31 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”
John 14:30 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”
John 16:11 KJB - “... the prince of this world is judged.”

Romans 8:38 KJB - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Ephesians 2:2 KJB - “... the prince of the power of the air ...”

Ephesians 3:10 KJB - To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Ephesians 6:12 KJB - “... against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places] ...”
Colossians 1:16 KJB - “... thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers ...”
Colossians 2:15 KJB - “... principalities and powers ...”

ItsAdventageous · Jan 31, 2023

posthuman said:

You should get your money back. Stop misrepresenting.

Inquisitor · Feb 1, 2023

ItsAdventageous said:

[06] The Two Princes

There are Two Main Princes [rulers] throughout the scriptures, the King James Bible.

[1.] The Good [Jesus/Michael/[E/I]mmanuel/Lamb, etc], the True and Everlasting “Prince”; who is God, even the Son of the Father, uncreated Creator:

Isaiah 9:6 KJB - “... the Prince of Peace ...”

Daniel 8:11 KJB - “... the Prince of the Host ...”

Daniel 8:25 KJB - “… the Prince of Princes ...”

Daniel 9:25 KJB - “... Messiah the Prince ...”

Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... Michael, one of the Chief Princes ...”

Daniel 10:21 KJB - “... Michael your Prince ...”

Daniel 11:22 KJB - “... the prince of the covenant ...”

Daniel 12:1 KJB - “... Michael … the Great Prince ...”

Acts 3:15 KJB - “... the Prince of Life ...”

Acts 5:31 KJB - “... a Prince and a Saviour ...”

Revelation 1:5 KJB - “... Jesus Christ … Prince of the Kings of the Earth ...”

[2.] The Wicked [Satan/Dragon/Serpent/Devil/Lucifer, etc], the usurping “prince” who is a creature, created [as Lucifer] by the Son of the Father.

Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... the prince of the kingdom of Persia ...”

Daniel 10:20 KJB - “... the prince of Persia ...”

Matthew 9:34 KJB - “... devils through the prince of the devils.”

Matthew 12:24 KJB - “... cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.”

Mark 3:22 KJB - “... Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devil.”

John 12:31 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”

John 14:30 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”

John 16:11 KJB - “... the prince of this world is judged.”

Romans 8:38 KJB - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Ephesians 2:2 KJB - “... the prince of the power of the air ...”

Ephesians 3:10 KJB - To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Ephesians 6:12 KJB - “... against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places] ...”

Colossians 1:16 KJB - “... thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers ...”

Colossians 2:15 KJB - “... principalities and powers ...”

John 1:49
Nathanael answered Him, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel!"

Zechariah 9:9
“Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion! Shout, Daughter Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey”

Well, is Jesus a King or a Prince?

ItsAdventageous · Feb 1, 2023

Inquisitor said:

Both. The word "prince" can mean the son of a King, which Jesus is (Son of His Father), and it also means "ruler", which Jesus is, whether in office as "KING of Kings". and "LORD of Lords", or "Prince of Life" (Son of the Father).

Inquisitor · Feb 1, 2023

ItsAdventageous said:

In a previous post, you quoted the KJV shown below.

Revelation 1:5 KJB - “... Jesus Christ … Prince of the Kings of the Earth ...”

The word 'Prince' was translated from Strong's 758.

Can you explain how that translation was achieved?

ItsAdventageous · Feb 2, 2023

Inquisitor said:

It second's the "first begotten" (pre-eminence) in that phrase, and is used in the same way, meaning (pre-eminent), ruler, first, chief, prince.

"prince (n.)

c. 1200, "governor, overseer, magistrate; leader; great man, chief; preeminent representative of a group or class" (mid-12c. as a surname), from Old French prince "prince, noble lord" (12c.), from Latin princeps (genitive principis) "first person, chief leader; ruler, sovereign," noun use of adjective meaning "that takes first," from primus "first" (see prime (adj.)) + root of capere "to take" (from PIE root *kap- "to grasp").

German cognate Fürst, from Old High German furist "first," is apparently an imitation of the Latin formation.

As "heir apparent to a throne," mid-14c. (Prince of Wales). The meaning "king's son, scion of a royal family" is by mid-15c. From c. 1600 as a courtesy title given to non-regnant members of royal families, often confined to the younger sons of sovereigns. Prince Regent was the title of George, Prince of Wales (later George IV) during the mental incapacity of George III (1811-1820).

By mid-14c. prince was used as the type of a handsome, worthy, wealthy, or proud man. The modern colloquial meaning "admirable or generous person" is from 1911, American English." - https://www.etymonline.com/word/prince#etymonline_v_19519

G758, also used in the so called lxx - https://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index.php?lemma=ἄρχων

ἄρχων

archōn

Total KJV Occurrences: 38

rulers, 14

Luk_23:13, Luk_23:35, Luk_24:20, Joh_7:26, Joh_7:48, Joh_12:42, Act_3:17, Act_4:5, Act_4:8, Act_13:26-27 (2), Act_14:5, Act_16:19, Rom_13:3

prince, 8

Mat_9:34, Mat_12:24, Mar_3:22, Joh_12:31, Joh_14:30, Joh_16:11, Eph_2:2, Rev_1:5

ruler, 8

Mat_9:18, Luk_8:41, Luk_18:18, Joh_3:1, Act_7:27, Act_7:35 (2), Act_23:5

chief, 3

Luk_11:15, Luk_14:1, Joh_12:42

princes, 3

Mat_20:25, 1Co_2:6, 1Co_2:8

magistrate, 1

Luk_12:58

ruler’s, 1

Mat_9:23

ItsAdventageous · Feb 2, 2023

[08] The Great Controversy; Michael vs Dragon

The War In Heaven:

The Good:

“Michael” - Revelation 12:7 KJB

The Bad:

“Dragon” - Revelation 12:7 KJB

The War continued in the Garden of Eden on Earth:

The Good:

“blood of the lamb” - Revelation 12:11 KJB

“lamb slain from the foundation of the world” - Revelation 13:8 KJB [see also Genesis 3:21, 4:4 KJB]

The Bad:

“that old serpent” - Revelation 12:9 KJB [see also Genesis 3:1,2,4,13,14 KJB]

“the serpent” - Revelation 12:14 KJB

“the serpent” - Revelation 12:15 KJB

“that old serpent” - Revelation 20:2 KJB

The War continued in the Earth:

The Good:

“brought forth the man [child]” - Revelation 12:13 KJB

The Bad:

“cast out into the earth” - Revelation 12:9 KJB

“the devil is come down” - Revelation 12:12 KJB

The War continued in the Wilderness Temptations and Ministry:

The Good:

“his Christ” - Revelation 12:10 KJB

“Jesus Christ” - Revelation 12:17 KJB

The Bad:

“called the Devil” - Revelation 12:9 KJB [see Luke 4:2 KJB - “Being forty days tempted of the devil ...”]

“Satan” - Revelation 12:9 KJB

The War continued at the Cross of Calvary:

The Good:

“the power of his Christ” - Revelation 12:10 KJB

The Bad:

“the accuser of our brethren is cast down” - Revelation 12:10 KJB

The War continued from the Cross even until this present day:

The Good:

“remnant of her seed” - Revelation 12:17 KJB [see also “the seed”, Genesis 3:15; Galatians 3:16; Acts 9:4-5, 22:7-8, 26:14-15 KJB]

The Bad:

“the dragon was wroth” - Revelation 12:17 KJB

“face of the serpent” - Revelation 12:14 KJB

“the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood” - Revelation 12:15 KJB

The War, Who Is Like Unto These?:

The Good:

“Who is like unto God?” [Michael] - Exodus 15:11; Job 36:22; Psalms 35:10, 71:19, 89:8, 113:5; Micah 7:18 KJB [see also the answer in Deuteronomy 33:26; 1 Kings 8:23; 2 Chronicles 6:14; Psalms 86:8; Jeremiah 10:6,7 KJB

The Bad:

“Who is like unto the Beast?” - Revelation 13:4 KJB [see also Genesis 3:1 KJB - “... the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field ...”]

“Dragon” - takes the place of the Father (being seen 'in Heaven')

[1st] “beast” [of the Sea, Revelation 13] - takes the place of the Son [Greek: Anti-Christos] [Latin: Vicarius Christi]

[2nd] “beast” [of the Earth, Revelation 13] – takes the place of the Holy Spirit, as the false prophet

The War, Those of the whole world who will wonder After:

The Good:

“behold, the world is gone after him.” - John 12:19 KJB

The Bad:

“all the world wondered after the beast” - Revelation 13:3 KJB

“of Egypt, and the Libyans and the Ethiopians [shall be] at this steps.” - Daniel 11:43 KJB

The War, the Warriors of the Great Controversy:

The Good:

“The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.” - Exodus 15:3 KJB

“The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.” - Isaiah 42:13 KJB

“Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?” - Luke 14:31 KJB

“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.” - Revelation 17:14 KJB

“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.” - Revelation 19:11 KJB

The Bad:

“And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?” - Revelation 13:4

“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.” - Revelation 17:14 KJB

“And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.” - Revelation 19:19 KJB

The War continues unto the end with the same combatants as at the beginning, Michael vs Dragon:

Revelation 19:11 KJB - And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:12 KJB - His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 KJB - And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 KJB - And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:15 KJB - And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:16 KJB - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 19:19 KJB - And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Revelation 19:20 KJB - And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Or read here - http://www.connectingwithjesus.org/media/GC.pdf

HealthAndHappiness · Feb 2, 2023

Jude
“Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.”

Michael, a created being, an archangel defers to the Lord of hosts, the Lord Jesus Christ concerning his contention with Satan.
This is plain to realize.

What did the Lord do in regards to the damned devil's? He did Not say, "The Lord rebuke thee." This is what He said,

"Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour."
Matthew 17:17-18

ItsAdventageous · Feb 3, 2023

HealthAndHappiness said:

Did you read my response to this in post#7 and post#8?

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...l-another-name-for-jesus.209360/#post-5002057

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...l-another-name-for-jesus.209360/#post-5002059

Compare Jude to Zechaiah 3.

Jesus, in the NT could rebuke the devil, because that is what the Father gave him to say at that time (John 8:28, 12:49-50, etc).

Both Zechariah 3 and Jude refer to OT events, before the NT 'incarnation' of the Son into the flesh of mankind, and at those times, the Son, came as the messenger of the Father, and only speaks what the Father gives Him to speak. This is why the Son, in both Jude and Zechariah 3 refers to the Father's judgment, but in the NT, notice what is stated:

Joh_5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Timing is everything:

Ecc_3:7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

The_Watchers_2017 · Feb 3, 2023

ItsAdventageous said:

[06] The Two Princes

There are Two Main Princes [rulers] throughout the scriptures, the King James Bible.

[1.] The Good [Jesus/Michael/[E/I]mmanuel/Lamb, etc], the True and Everlasting “Prince”; who is God, even the Son of the Father, uncreated Creator:

Isaiah 9:6 KJB - “... the Prince of Peace ...”

Daniel 8:11 KJB - “... the Prince of the Host ...”
Daniel 8:25 KJB - “… the Prince of Princes ...”
Daniel 9:25 KJB - “... Messiah the Prince ...”
Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... Michael, one of the Chief Princes ...”
Daniel 10:21 KJB - “... Michael your Prince ...”
Daniel 11:22 KJB - “... the prince of the covenant ...”
Daniel 12:1 KJB - “... Michael … the Great Prince ...”
Acts 3:15 KJB - “... the Prince of Life ...”
Acts 5:31 KJB - “... a Prince and a Saviour ...”
Revelation 1:5 KJB - “... Jesus Christ … Prince of the Kings of the Earth ...”

[2.] The Wicked [Satan/Dragon/Serpent/Devil/Lucifer, etc], the usurping “prince” who is a creature, created [as Lucifer] by the Son of the Father.

Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... the prince of the kingdom of Persia ...”

Daniel 10:20 KJB - “... the prince of Persia ...”

Matthew 9:34 KJB - “... devils through the prince of the devils.”
Matthew 12:24 KJB - “... cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.”
Mark 3:22 KJB - “... Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devil.”
John 12:31 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”
John 14:30 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”
John 16:11 KJB - “... the prince of this world is judged.”

Romans 8:38 KJB - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Ephesians 2:2 KJB - “... the prince of the power of the air ...”

Ephesians 3:10 KJB - To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Ephesians 6:12 KJB - “... against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places] ...”
Colossians 1:16 KJB - “... thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers ...”
Colossians 2:15 KJB - “... principalities and powers ...”

You are demonically twisted.

Let's examine 3 examples from the different Hebrew Tanakh.

You will notice in the ancient Hebrew it says Michael is [one of Princes as in multiple Princes]

This means, Michael is a Watcher and there's a total of 7.

Michael is a Watcher, not Jesus. You need to be Rebuked and cast where you belong!!

HealthAndHappiness · Feb 3, 2023

ItsAdventageous said:

His timing was to bring judgement on Sodom and the other demonized, wicked cities of the well watered plain. The angels rescued Lots family. Once they were clear, The Lord Jesus did the following. He destroyed every single life in the cities that incurred His judgement.

"And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt."

The timing was Genesis 19, Old Testament.

Sipsey · Feb 3, 2023

The premise is rather simple, is it, or is it not? Much Scripture is hurled to muddy the waters and cloud the issue, when a simple answer will suffice. Truth needs little commentary.

Aaron56 · Feb 3, 2023

Inquisitor said:

All kings are princes but not all princes are kings.

ItsAdventageous · Feb 3, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

Did you read my post in post#18? https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...l-another-name-for-jesus.209360/#post-5002089

"It is a mistake in understanding to take that position, that because Michael is identified as "one of the chief princes" that it somehow means he is not Deity, or the Person of the Son of the Father.

1. Michael is one of the "chief" "princes" (ruler).

[A.] Two main princes (rulers) in the Great Controversy (Rev. 12), Michael (Prince of Peace) & Dragon (Prince of Devils).

[06] The Two Princes

There are Two Main Princes [rulers] throughout the scriptures, the King James Bible.

[I.] The Good [Jesus/Michael/[E/I]mmanuel/Lamb, etc], the True and Everlasting “Prince”; who is God, even the Son of the Father, uncreated Creator:

Isaiah 9:6 KJB - “... the Prince of Peace ...”

Daniel 8:11 KJB - “... the Prince of the Host ...”

Daniel 8:25 KJB - “… the Prince of Princes ...”

Daniel 9:25 KJB - “... Messiah the Prince ...”

Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... Michael, one of the Chief Princes ...”

Daniel 10:21 KJB - “... Michael your Prince ...”

Daniel 11:22 KJB - “... the prince of the covenant ...”

Daniel 12:1 KJB - “... Michael … the Great Prince ...”

Acts 3:15 KJB - “... the Prince of Life ...”

Acts 5:31 KJB - “... a Prince and a Saviour ...”

Revelation 1:5 KJB - “... Jesus Christ … Prince of the Kings of the Earth ...”

...

[II.] The Wicked [Satan/Dragon/Serpent/Devil/Lucifer, etc], the usurping “prince” who is a creature, created [as Lucifer] by the Son of the Father.

Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... the prince of the kingdom of Persia ...”

Daniel 10:20 KJB - “... the prince of Persia ...”

Matthew 9:34 KJB - “... devils through the prince of the devils.”

Matthew 12:24 KJB - “... cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.”

Mark 3:22 KJB - “... Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devil.”

John 12:31 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”

John 14:30 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”

John 16:11 KJB - “... the prince of this world is judged.”

Romans 8:38 KJB - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Ephesians 2:2 KJB - “... the prince of the power of the air ...”

Ephesians 3:10 KJB - To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Ephesians 6:12 KJB - “... against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places] ...”

Colossians 1:16 KJB - “... thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers ...”

Colossians 2:15 KJB - “... principalities and powers ...”

[B.] There are many chief princes (Isaiah 43:28 KJB) of the sanctuary (High Priests), and Jesus is among them, as High Priest.

[C.] There are many rulers of kingdoms, and Jesus is a ruler, as King over Israel (Numbers 23:21 KJB) and Revelation 19:16 shows that Jesus is a King over other Kings (Christians) that does not negate that He is "one of the chief princes (rulers)", as shown.

[D.] Jesus is the "last Adam" (1 Corinthians 15:45 KJB), and as such is the Head representative of the family of this world, while there are head representatives of the other unfallen worlds, also called "sons of God" (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, etc KJB).

[E.]. Michael as Archangel is then also one among other Archangels (though He is the highest), such as Gabriel, also an archangel. Even satan is an arch angel.

[F.] Among the "apostles", Jesus is the Highest "Apostle" (Hebrews 3:1 KJB). That Jesus is the only begotten Son (same nature of Deity, as His Father), does not mean that Jesus is also not among His "fellows" (Hebrews 1:9 KJB, heavenly angelic messengers like Gabriel) as highest messenger, anointed above them.

To the matter of "my lord" (Daniel 10:16,17,19), angels (as Gabriel, the covering cherub that "stand in the presence of God" (Luke 1:19)) are of greater authority, in power and might (Ephesians 3:10; Colossians 1:16) at present than general mankind is, for there are many "lords" (Deut. 10:17; Psa. 136:3; 1 Cor. 8:5; 1 Tim. 6:15; Rev. 17:14, 19:16), and angels (like Gabriel) being some of them, who resemble in appearance mankind (Genesis 19:2, 19:1,16; Daniel 8:15, 9:21, 10:16,18; Luke 24:4; Acts 1:10). Angels are also in charge of men, as given by them of God, as to watch the children as faithful stewards until their proper inheritance.

Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour."

ItsAdventageous · Feb 3, 2023

Sipsey said:

I agree, however, people reject the simple truths provided, and so further and greater evidence is given, which is then also rejected.

For instance, a very simple line of questions:

In Revelation 12, is the term "Dragon" a symbolic name?

If so, then is the counterpart term "Michael" also a symbolic name?

If they are symbolic names, what do those names symbolize?

In Daniel 12:1, is Michael identified as a deliverer?

In Revelation 12:7-10a is Michael identified with salvation?

The_Watchers_2017 · Feb 3, 2023

^

He rules over lesser ranked Angels but has no authority over humanity. Only God has authority over humanity. If Michael showed up he can be rebuked if he claims to be God. If God shows up claiming to be God no one can Rebuke God.

The only creatures that can be Rebuked are the ones created. God is not created like the Angels like Michael.

And by the way, the Ancient Hebrews have explained this and have 5,000 years of personal knowledge.

You are using a Demonic woman's interpretation.

I trust the Ancient Hebrews over your source any day.

ItsAdventageous · Feb 3, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

What?

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

The_Watchers_2017 · Feb 3, 2023

ItsAdventageous said:

All I read is he protects because God orders him to protect.

Nowhere does it say he has authority over humanity.

ItsAdventageous · Feb 4, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

So, when Gabriel says, to Daniel,

Dan 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

"Michael your (Israel's and Daniel's) prince (ruler)", you are saying that you do not read, any kind of "authority over humanity"?

Did the "prince of the eunuchs" in Nebuchadnezzar II's kingdom have any "authority over" human beings?

Dan_1:10 And the prince of the eunuchs said unto Daniel, I fear my lord the king, who hath appointed your meat and your drink: for why should he see your faces worse liking than the children which are of your sort? then shall ye make me endanger my head to the king.

The_Watchers_2017 · Feb 4, 2023

ItsAdventageous said:

So, when Gabriel says, to Daniel,

Dan 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

"Michael your (Israel's and Daniel's) prince (ruler)", you are saying that you do not read, any kind of "authority over humanity"?

Did the "prince of the eunuchs" in Nebuchadnezzar II's kingdom have any "authority over" human beings?

Dan_1:10 And the prince of the eunuchs said unto Daniel, I fear my lord the king, who hath appointed your meat and your drink: for why should he see your faces worse liking than the children which are of your sort? then shall ye make me endanger my head to the king.

Gabriel is dealing with Satan and Michael helped. That's not humanity.

Is Michael Another Name For Jesus?

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