Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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Sure. If one believes that God changes His mind, then God cannot be omniscient. If He knows everything, He will never have to change His mind. It would also make Him a liar because He says He does not change.
Would you please explain the point to me?
If you take the verse literally, then God is also a source of evil. This would mean He is not holy.
“Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.”
Not for nothing was God going to destroy Nineveh.
Since God's plan all along is to have mercy on those who repent, can it really be said He changed
His mind when they repented? Did He not simply do what is in His nature and character to do?
God's character does not change. But He has changed His mind. Occurrences are recorded in the Bible.
You said I missed the point of those verses. What was the point?
The character that would be changed is omniscience. He already knew what their response would be. If He actually changed His mind, is He omniscient?
Omniscience is not a character trait.
He already knew what whose response would be? I am referring to Gen 6:6-7. What is the point of those verses?
Good question...
In order to describe God's attributes, or characteristics, theologians use
three important terms: omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.
Omniscience is an immutable attribute of God.
I thought we were talking about the story of Jonah so please forgive my ignorance.
I would need to look at those verses in Genesis 6 to be able to share what I believe God is teaching. Will be glad to get back to you at a future time.
How is it not a character trait of God that He possesses omniscience?
Theologians use those terms because Scripture teaches these things about God.
Those terms and characteristics being: omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.
What do you make of John 1:12?
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God—
They are synonymous
Synonymous: equivalent in meaning; expressing or implying the same idea.
Debatible.They are synonymous
I am generally kind to animals. That's an element of my character.
Is it an immutable attribute? I don't see it that way.
..maybe it's just semantics.
Yes.
I suppose it is debatable for those who are willing to twist, distort, and/or deny word definitions.Debatible.
I am generally kind to animals. That's an element of my character.
Is it an immutable attribute? I don't see it that way.
..maybe it's just semantics.
Yes.
I have no problem with the definition of synonymous.
You make it difficult to remain civil with you. This has happened more than once.
True. The Holy Spirit is what changes our natural mind to understand things of the spirit.