Ive shown you that Paul is talking the Gospel, the Cross of Christ in 1 Cor 2ff
Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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Again, to say that the elect for whom Christ died are not Justified before God based on the blood of Christ alone, not until they believe, is a lie and a attack on the Justifying blood and Righteousness of Jesus Christ.
Justified by His Blood !
All for whom Christ died, whom He shed His Blood for the Many, even the Blood of the Covenant/Testament Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. The word remission also means forgiveness, the forgiveness of sins , which is also Justification. The word forgiveness is the greek word aphesis and means:
I.release from bondage or imprisonment
II.forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty
Those He shed His blood for have been released once and for all from the penalty of sin, so much so, its as if they never committed any one sin ! Thats Justification from sin in the eyes of God, based solely on the Blood of Christ shed, which alone satisfied His Law and Justice and Righteousness !
The word Justification, one of its meanings is:
I.the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him, which again has to do with forgiveness of sins !
Now forgiveness is also related to redemption, redemption through His Blood Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
This word redemption, the greek word apolytrōsis means:
I.a releasing effected by payment of ransom
A.redemption, deliverance
B.liberation procured by the payment of a ransom
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
In principle Rom 3:24 and Eph 1:7 and Matt 26:28 are all teaching the same thing, Justification, Forgiveness, Redemption by the Blood of Christ, and not by faith in the blood of Christ, but solely by and through the blood of Christ Rom 5:9, which to deny is simply unbelief and pride !
All for whom Christ died, whom He shed His Blood for the Many, even the Blood of the Covenant/Testament Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. The word remission also means forgiveness, the forgiveness of sins , which is also Justification. The word forgiveness is the greek word aphesis and means:
I.release from bondage or imprisonment
II.forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty
Those He shed His blood for have been released once and for all from the penalty of sin, so much so, its as if they never committed any one sin ! Thats Justification from sin in the eyes of God, based solely on the Blood of Christ shed, which alone satisfied His Law and Justice and Righteousness !
The word Justification, one of its meanings is:
I.the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him, which again has to do with forgiveness of sins !
Now forgiveness is also related to redemption, redemption through His Blood Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
This word redemption, the greek word apolytrōsis means:
I.a releasing effected by payment of ransom
A.redemption, deliverance
B.liberation procured by the payment of a ransom
everywhere in the N. T. metaphorically, viz. deliverance effected through the death of Christ from the retributive wrath of a holy God and the merited penalty of sin:
Which redemption is stated to have Justified those Christ died for Rom 3:2424 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
In principle Rom 3:24 and Eph 1:7 and Matt 26:28 are all teaching the same thing, Justification, Forgiveness, Redemption by the Blood of Christ, and not by faith in the blood of Christ, but solely by and through the blood of Christ Rom 5:9, which to deny is simply unbelief and pride !
We know you "dont care" what is written in Scripture.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world
It is very interesting that you still will not acknowledge your lie that we "do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners". When are you going to step away from that "false Gospel"???
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nope ... all you've shown is your complete and utter disregard of Scripture in your vain attempt to prop up your erroneous dogma.
It is clear from 1 Cor 2:6-8 that Paul is speaking of the hidden wisdom among those who were mature believers.
Romans 16:25 tells us the mystery was kept secret since the world began:
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began
Ephesians 3:4-5 tells us the mystery was not made known:
Ephesians 3:4-5 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit
Ephesians 3:9 tells us this mystery was hid in God from the beginning of the world:
Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ
Colossians 1:26 tells us the mystery was hid from ages and from generations ... BUT NOW made known:
Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints
For you to continue to insist the Gospel is the mystery is foolishness on your part.
God never hid the Gospel.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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nope ... what is "Truth" is what is written in Scripture:
Ephesians 2:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
The only reason the believer is not "condemned like the reprobate" is because he or she did not suppress the truth in unrighteousness when someone shared the gospel with him or her:
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katecho = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness
Those who do not believe suppress the truth in unrighteousness. They reject the truth of Scripture ... not because they do not have faith, or because they cannot hear or understand, but because they hold to something (place their faith in something) other than the truth of Scripture which God has clearly revealed to them.
brightfame52 said:
... the one who "just undervalue the blood of Christ !" is the one who does not believe the blood of Crhist is sufficient to cover the sins of the world ... the whole world ... the one who has to add words / concepts to Scripture due to lack of faith in God (the Author of the Scriptures).John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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God tells us when a person is justified:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
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Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Romans 3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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As stated, you can get those verses a thousand times, nothing changes, they refer to Gods elect only.
Once again, 1 Cor 2:14 is saying the natural man doesnt have the spiritual capacity to understand the Gospel.
The elect like the non elect, are born ungodly sinners by nature, however the elect unlike the non elect, are born into the world Justified before God, whereas the non elect are born into the world condemned by God.nope ... what is "Truth" is what is written in Scripture:
Ephesians 2:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
The only reason the believer is not "condemned like the reprobate" is because he or she did not suppress the truth in unrighteousness when someone shared the gospel with him or her:
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katecho = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness
Those who do not believe suppress the truth in unrighteousness. They reject the truth of Scripture ... not because they do not have faith, or because they cannot hear or understand, but because they hold to something (place their faith in something) other than the truth of Scripture which God has clearly revealed to them.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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And as stated earlier, scriptures with world in it Jn 3:16,17;1:29;2 cor 5:19 all refer to the elect only
A Person who Christ died for are born into this world Justified before God, before they are ever given Faith, before they ever become believers, while they are enemies Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life
Again forgiveness is through Christs shed blood, not mans faith or believing.
Eph 1:7
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
got it ... you will not repent of your lies. figures.From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
5. the inhabitants of the world: ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16 ... 2 Corinthians 5:19 ... 1 John 2:2
.nope. Beginning in 1 Cor 2:6-8 the subject is not the Gospel. The subject is the mystery which was hid in God from the foundation of the world until He revealed it to Paul as explained to you in Post 3026.
That you refuse to acknowledge the mystery is error on your part.
This has been explained to you, but you prefer to suppress the truth in unrighteousness in order to hold to your erroneous dogma.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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no descendant of Adam is born "into the world Justified before God". All descendants of Adam are born into the world in need of justification.God imputes righteousness when a person believes ... just as is stated in Scripture. Scripture tells us Abraham believed God and then God imputed righteousness to Abraham.
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Scripture does not state that Abraham was "born into the world Justified before God". The same holds true in our day and time ... believe and then righteousness is imputed.
Those who find themselves cast into the lake of fire are those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18) when the truth of the Scriptures is revealed to them.
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Romans 5:10 does not support your claim that a descendant of Adam is "born into this world Justified before God".The word "enemies" is translated from Greek echthros – ("enemy"), implies irreconcilable hostility,
The word "reconciled" is translated from Greek katallássō – decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.
The one who is justified by faith (Rom 5:1) is no longer an enemy because he/she is now reconciled. Both parties are now reconciled.
God (the Party of the first part) established His eternal purpose in eternity past ... and He reconciled Himself to mankind through the death of His Son.
The believer (the party of the second part) is reconciled at the time he/she is justified. At that point, both parties (God and the believer) came to the same position (see definition of reconciled translated from Greek katallássō).
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Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Romans 3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again, the elect only, its not changing.
From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
5. the inhabitants of the world: ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16 ... 2 Corinthians 5:19 ... 1 John 2:2.