I thought I'd been watching you devote a lot of energy lately to arguing that He will lose a lot of His own?
Do you believe everything the Bible says?
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I thought I'd been watching you devote a lot of energy lately to arguing that He will lose a lot of His own?
Specifically you espoused an untenable position on Judas with the express purpose of using him as an example to implicate The Good Shepherd could potentially lose literally every one of His sheep even though He says He won't lose even one.
Isn't that so?
How can that be reconciled with believing John 6:39?
Since the will of God is that Christ keep every single one of the saved securely saved, does He do the will of God or does a He fail to do the will of God?
Is He a good shepherd or a useless one?
Well, you aren't questioning me out of curiosity. You're questioning me because you think you're setting me up, but thank you. I relish the opportunity to prove to a fresh audience that Judas 100% was saved then 100% lost his salvation. Shall we do it again here?
Edit: actually, i don't want to derail my thread. I think I will open a new thread on this later and firstly point out all of the irrefutable key information complete with the authoritative words of Jesus.
How quickly would people stop believing everything the Bible says if it proved Judas was at one point told he would have eternal life then later lost his salvation?
No, I am questioning your assertion that you believe everything the scripture says because you have in the very recent past very vocally, prolifically & clearly rejected what the Bible literally says.
You might think of it as 'setting you up' because you still don't understand that I speak to you for your good, but the reality is that you hold and preach unsupportable false doctrines contrary to scripture, and i am sent to help you correct them; to help you understand how to 'rightly divide' the scripture.
Rule #1
Christ is God: He is never not-God.
Corallary:
Everything He says is true. Nothing He says is ever wrong in any way.
Corallary:
What He says must be understood by His definitions, not your human ones.
Corallary:
If you ever have a position that makes Christ a liar or mistaken or in any way ever saying something false, it is you who are wrong and do not understand. Never Him.
Immediately throw away any such position and seek a right one. Continuing in any such position is vanity & death.
I mean if you could actually prove Christ is a liar yeah why would anyone keep believing the Bible
Lol
Either it was true Judas has eternal life or it wasn't true
So either Judas was never told he has eternal life, and the Bible is true, because he doesn't
Or Judas was told he has eternal life, and the Bible cannot be trusted, because he doesn't.
No idea why you would think it's a good idea to make it your goal to prove that Jesus lied to Judas
Please don't.
You're proving the point of this thread. lol. The Bible is truth to many, but from your perspective it makes liars out of people.
See, that's your motive. You like the idea that you feel justified to make false accusations about me.
I believe everything the Scripture says. You don't. Let's drag out the proof from the other thread. I have time.
You do not believe Judas has eternal life, but you believe Christ prophesied that Judas has eternal life.
How do you say you believe scripture while you believe Christ to be a false prophet?
You do not believe whoever believes in Christ has eternal life, but Christ says we do.
On what basis do you think that you are justified to make this thread given what you have been posting over the last two weeks?
These are not false accusations.
I quoted you saying all these things in another thread, and you denied none of them
What you deny/ignore is the simple logic:
If Christ makes a prophecy that is false He is false. You say Christ can lie and still be true
If Christ says He loses none of His own you say He can still lose His own and not slave misspoken.
You deny that these are contradictions;
You do not deny that you believe these things.
I do not falsely accuse you; you accuse yourself without realizing that you are doing so.
What you need to do is reject any position that ascribes falsehood to Christ
But I think that you think of yourself more than you think of Him.
What I think of is how to never do anything less than glorify Him. As highly as possible
You clearly do not think this way
But I am sent to tey to teach you to think this way
Maybe I fail.
It I do not give up
Your false accusations are that I called Jesus a liar. Since that never happened, that's called a false accusation.
I'm correct. You don't believe I'm correct and say many things believing they somehow refute what I've shown in the Bible, they don't. Nothing stops me. I keep pushing forward past all of the false accusers, the arguers, and it all of their arrows bounce right off of me. The more you argue, the more I hone and perfect exactly what my talking points are.
*but I do not give up
Success is not my KPI ((key performance indicator))
Attempting is
Just like works in the flesh
Not false at all.
Thoroughly demonstrated & fully cited.
The only thing you denied is that making false prophesies makes someone a false prophet.
Which is so ludicrously illogical wow please do not make a whole thread dedicated to embarrassing yourself.
No one here wants that
We are for you not against you.
Your failures reflect on the entire church
Which is why i am sent
Please
Listen
God is not false
God is never mistaken or deceived
Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh
Glaubst du das wirklich nicht???
I never said that.
Christ lost Judas per prophecy. Jesus said he lost none except the son of perdition. Remember when we discussed that and you tried to twist the word lost to mean something else? I remember it.
Clearly this is eating you up inside. You're now following me around threads talking about it. Good. Keep thinking about this as the seed grows.
"You say Christ can lie and still be true" is your mantra and it's a false accusation.
Which is why I believe everything the Bible says.
Wrong again. I worship Jesus regularly.
Your window into my life is Christian Chat. You know nothing about how devout I am.
Whatever man. We're not the same as you so accurately pointed out.
Your criteria for calling Jesus is a liar is subjective based on your understanding of what the Bible says. Since your understanding is fallible, you have to accept that you could be wrong about something. Since that's the case, your accusation is false, especially since I never said that.
The source of your accusation comes squarely from you.
I don't recall we ever talked about that. Since Jesus said Judas would have eternal life and then Judas clearly lost it, you're the one who believes otherwise.
I'm not embarrassed. I'm very happy. You assigning me embarrassment doesn't make it so.
Okay thanks for supporting me.
I help the church out of darkness. That's why I am sent.
I agree! I believe God and never have I said otherwise.
