Do you believe everything the Bible says?
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I like this idea because I believe that we all need the Holy Spirit to understand Scripture.
The thing is, two people will often times put forth what they believe, and yet their beliefs could be polar opposites. And both parties will claim that their inspiration is from the Holy Spirit. Furthermore, both will provide Scripture(s) to support their positions.
I often wonder, what is going on that two, seemingly passionate people, striving to follow the Lord, can be in such disagreement?
I guess that several things could be going on:
1. one is wrong, and the other is correct.
2. both are wrong.
3. both are right and are dealing with a paradox... a Divine mystery.
So, what can we do?
Sometimes, the situation is pretty clear cut as there are some well-known schools of thought that have been dealt with as false... JW's, Mormonism, a lot of Rom. Catholic doctrine. But what about the rest?
In my opinion, finding good sources of teaching ministries is crucial for us. Scripture tells us that God has gifted some, through the Holy Spirit, to be teachers/preachers. And we can know them by their "fruits". I look for people that teach on the Bible, book by book.
They should be relatively, well regarded, consistent, and articulate... speaking to both people who are new to the Faith, as well as the more mature. And the plain, exposition of God's Word is always interesting at all learning levels.
The thing is, two people will often times put forth what they believe, and yet their beliefs could be polar opposites. And both parties will claim that their inspiration is from the Holy Spirit. Furthermore, both will provide Scripture(s) to support their positions.
I often wonder, what is going on that two, seemingly passionate people, striving to follow the Lord, can be in such disagreement?
I guess that several things could be going on:
1. one is wrong, and the other is correct.
2. both are wrong.
3. both are right and are dealing with a paradox... a Divine mystery.
So, what can we do?
Sometimes, the situation is pretty clear cut as there are some well-known schools of thought that have been dealt with as false... JW's, Mormonism, a lot of Rom. Catholic doctrine. But what about the rest?
In my opinion, finding good sources of teaching ministries is crucial for us. Scripture tells us that God has gifted some, through the Holy Spirit, to be teachers/preachers. And we can know them by their "fruits". I look for people that teach on the Bible, book by book.
They should be relatively, well regarded, consistent, and articulate... speaking to both people who are new to the Faith, as well as the more mature. And the plain, exposition of God's Word is always interesting at all learning levels.
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You don't need to if you have a King James Bible. 
Referring to the original languages is a must, to glean the true meaning of the scriptures.
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As as been stated above...
Each person who reads the Bible does so with eisogesis instead of exegesis. IOW their mind is made up and they slice and dice the scriptures to provide proof of their own beliefs.
And it's completely wrong to do so.
Hermeneutics is the blend of arts and sciences deciphering what the Bible has to tell us.
Since, for whatever reason, Christians tend to absolutely suck at sciences the misinterpretation rates are very high. And because those few who are good at understanding the contexts are very loathe to speak ill of others (for very solid reasons) nobody is seriously challenged in their false doctrines.
Case in point is this "born again" nonsense that has been repeated ad nauseum for over 50 years now as a marketing campaign to combat Calvinism and Catholicism. The logic of proper Hermeneutics is dismissed by giants in the field for what has been parroted.
That doesn't mean that the proper Hermeneutics is unavailable...far from it. But it goes ignored and dismissed and "cut out" in favor of illogical and emotional arguments to say something that has no real effect on decisions in our daily lives.
Poor Hermeneutics has been used to license all sorts of sinful behaviors such as segregation, slavery, murder of innocents, adultery, and wars. (Currently every form of sexual perversion is being licensed) Paul predicted it perfectly in 2Timothy.
It's not like this is new stuff either. The Reformation was the relief and instigator of a whole new set of poor Hermeneutics. Martin Luther wasn't the first to discover the scriptures...just the first that was given gravitas and granted a knowledgable audience. Martin Luther wasn't making idle false accusations either about concubine swapping being more important than Theological discussions among the hierarchy of the church.
In the end....
What does someone else's sin matter? It's all theirs. You can mention it when asked but ultimately so very very few are ever truly interested in giving it up that it's fruitless. It is much more worthwhile to bake cookies than try to teach people who do not want to learn.
Each person who reads the Bible does so with eisogesis instead of exegesis. IOW their mind is made up and they slice and dice the scriptures to provide proof of their own beliefs.
And it's completely wrong to do so.
Hermeneutics is the blend of arts and sciences deciphering what the Bible has to tell us.
Since, for whatever reason, Christians tend to absolutely suck at sciences the misinterpretation rates are very high. And because those few who are good at understanding the contexts are very loathe to speak ill of others (for very solid reasons) nobody is seriously challenged in their false doctrines.
Case in point is this "born again" nonsense that has been repeated ad nauseum for over 50 years now as a marketing campaign to combat Calvinism and Catholicism. The logic of proper Hermeneutics is dismissed by giants in the field for what has been parroted.
That doesn't mean that the proper Hermeneutics is unavailable...far from it. But it goes ignored and dismissed and "cut out" in favor of illogical and emotional arguments to say something that has no real effect on decisions in our daily lives.
Poor Hermeneutics has been used to license all sorts of sinful behaviors such as segregation, slavery, murder of innocents, adultery, and wars. (Currently every form of sexual perversion is being licensed) Paul predicted it perfectly in 2Timothy.
It's not like this is new stuff either. The Reformation was the relief and instigator of a whole new set of poor Hermeneutics. Martin Luther wasn't the first to discover the scriptures...just the first that was given gravitas and granted a knowledgable audience. Martin Luther wasn't making idle false accusations either about concubine swapping being more important than Theological discussions among the hierarchy of the church.
In the end....
What does someone else's sin matter? It's all theirs. You can mention it when asked but ultimately so very very few are ever truly interested in giving it up that it's fruitless. It is much more worthwhile to bake cookies than try to teach people who do not want to learn.
a) The King James Bible is a translation only.
b) it is impossible to perfectly translate the source languages of Scripture into English. There are too many differences in word meaning, verb tenses, idioms, etc.
c) The King James Bible is written in archaic Englyshe to a society that no longer exists.
b) it is impossible to perfectly translate the source languages of Scripture into English. There are too many differences in word meaning, verb tenses, idioms, etc.
c) The King James Bible is written in archaic Englyshe to a society that no longer exists.
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How many people are capable of reading ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek? Most of us have to read the Bible in English and depend on translations to be as accurate as possible. Even scholars disagree about what some of Scripture says/means.
Are you a Biblical scholar or do you depend on commentaries?
Are you a Biblical scholar or do you depend on commentaries?
You don't need to if you have a King James Bible.
I can already tell you that he relies upon commentaries and other TV preachers.
Because the scriptures are written in 4 languages and not just 3. Most don't know the 4th language or how to recognize it...or who is the culprit for writing in this 4th language.
Sokay. It's nice to know. But it definitely helps me out when choosing who to listen to.
Because the scriptures are written in 4 languages and not just 3. Most don't know the 4th language or how to recognize it...or who is the culprit for writing in this 4th language.
Sokay. It's nice to know. But it definitely helps me out when choosing who to listen to.
An example: Matthew 5:28 "But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. " The Greek word for "Lust" is neither good or bad. It's just a strong desire. In english, Lust is seen as always being evil. In Luke 22:5 Jesus used the same Greek word for lust when he said. "And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. "
THE ISSUE, of course, is that "theology" creeps in, and provides us with it's own "Spin" on what the Bible says. The "systematic theologian" will fight to the death for their "Systematic's spin" on the Word, which after "Processing" may be quite different than what a simple reading of the Biblical text would yield.
My suspicion is that the "Babel effect" (Gen 11:9) is still present to prevent humans, in their "great wisdom", from building something that God doesn't want, and that one of the indications of the END TIMES will be the MATURE CHURCH of Ephesians 4:11-16 where there's real unity.
My suspicion is that the "Babel effect" (Gen 11:9) is still present to prevent humans, in their "great wisdom", from building something that God doesn't want, and that one of the indications of the END TIMES will be the MATURE CHURCH of Ephesians 4:11-16 where there's real unity.
a yeah I think what happens is we try to understand the Bible based on what we already know about life and by what we have already heard in a church
sominstead of herring what the Bible says and believing letting that correct what we think , we take what we think and correct the Bible and call it “ interpreting “
a false doctrine is bad stuff we can start learning the wrong things in Sunday school and then when we grow up that becomes solid in us and hard to rebuke
ironically I believe most Christian’s would answer yes I believe the Bible but then it’s how they interpret it that causes the disagreements
the New Testament doesn’t need interpretation is the secret it is interpreting the old testsment which needed the holy ghosts revelations we receive in the New Testament
All we need to really do is start learning from tre New Testament letting what we learn change what we used to think or what we were taught before the Bible is there so we can know ourselves what z God has said will save us
the whole war in this world is between Gods word and the worlds lies the gospel is freely available in this world it’s for everyone that hears and believes it’s this
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
Romans 1:16
So the enemy has to do this
“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
2 Corinthians 4:3-4
mostly we hear “ it’s all true but it’s not meant for you “ that’s a way to get a person to turn away from the truth
“ that’s all before the cross not for the church “ anything to turn my ears away fro salvstion
that’s salvstion by works not grace and faith ect
anything to turn my thinking and belief away from what God said will save my soul
My point is false teachers use peoples trust in the Bible to distort thier beliefs and gain control over them because they willingly believe the Bible but rely on another to “ interpret it “ for them
sominstead of herring what the Bible says and believing letting that correct what we think , we take what we think and correct the Bible and call it “ interpreting “
a false doctrine is bad stuff we can start learning the wrong things in Sunday school and then when we grow up that becomes solid in us and hard to rebuke
ironically I believe most Christian’s would answer yes I believe the Bible but then it’s how they interpret it that causes the disagreements
the New Testament doesn’t need interpretation is the secret it is interpreting the old testsment which needed the holy ghosts revelations we receive in the New Testament
All we need to really do is start learning from tre New Testament letting what we learn change what we used to think or what we were taught before the Bible is there so we can know ourselves what z God has said will save us
the whole war in this world is between Gods word and the worlds lies the gospel is freely available in this world it’s for everyone that hears and believes it’s this
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
Romans 1:16
So the enemy has to do this
“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
2 Corinthians 4:3-4
mostly we hear “ it’s all true but it’s not meant for you “ that’s a way to get a person to turn away from the truth
“ that’s all before the cross not for the church “ anything to turn my ears away fro salvstion
that’s salvstion by works not grace and faith ect
anything to turn my thinking and belief away from what God said will save my soul
My point is false teachers use peoples trust in the Bible to distort thier beliefs and gain control over them because they willingly believe the Bible but rely on another to “ interpret it “ for them
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