Do you believe everything the Bible says?

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Do you believe everything the Bible says?

  • Yes

    Votes: 31 93.9%

  • No

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • Total voters
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Runningman

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This might seem like a strange question to ask here, but after having discussed the Bible for quite a while with folks, I have reached a point where I’m puzzled.

I know we disagree about many things, but some things are pretty clear in the Bible and there’s still a disagreement. I’m beginning to wonder if some Christians just don’t believe everything the Bible says. So I’m creating a poll where people can vote anonymously.

My answer is yes I believe everything the Bible says.
 
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Gideon300

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Runningman said:
This might seem like a strange question to ask here, but after having discussed the Bible for quite a while with folks, I have reached a point where I’m puzzled.

I know we disagree about many things, but some things are pretty clear in the Bible and there’s still a disagreement. I’m beginning to wonder if some Christians just don’t believe everything the Bible says. So I’m creating a poll where people can vote anonymously.

My answer is yes I believe everything the Bible says.
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The problem is that the Bible is a spiritual book for spiritual people. It is not an intellectual treatise to be analysed and debated. Since people come to the Bible with biases, depending on their preconceived ideas and/or intellectual abilities, it's not surprising that there are differences.

Paul prayed that God's people would receive the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation. That's one of the most important gifts we can receive. When the Holy Spirit makes things clear to us, all argument and debate ceases. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to lead us into truth. Nothing in the Christian life is automatic. If we seek, we will find. Spend time with God, in prayer, with a notebook and pen and ask for revelation. God is only too pleased to reveal himself. A word of caution. When you receive something, write it down. Ask God to make the revelation part of you. Then walk in the revelation that you have received.
 
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Runningman said:
This might seem like a strange question to ask here, but after having discussed the Bible for quite a while with folks, I have reached a point where I’m puzzled.

I know we disagree about many things, but some things are pretty clear in the Bible and there’s still a disagreement. I’m beginning to wonder if some Christians just don’t believe everything the Bible says. So I’m creating a poll where people can vote anonymously.

My answer is yes I believe everything the Bible says.
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Yes but you have to look at context. What it says about history is true, but do not apply it to today. Marching around a building 7 times than blowing a horn, will not bring the building down. The bible has laws for slaves, but we do not own slaves today. You can't own people today.
 
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MaryM

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Runningman said:
This might seem like a strange question to ask here, but after having discussed the Bible for quite a while with folks, I have reached a point where I’m puzzled.

I know we disagree about many things, but some things are pretty clear in the Bible and there’s still a disagreement. I’m beginning to wonder if some Christians just don’t believe everything the Bible says. So I’m creating a poll where people can vote anonymously.

My answer is yes I believe everything the Bible says.
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It is mostly about interpretation perhaps.
 
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MaryM

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JohnB said:
Yes but you have to look at context. What it says about history is true, but do not apply it to today. Marching around a building 7 times than blowing a horn, will not bring the building down. The bible has laws for slaves, but we do not own slaves today. You can't own people today.
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Context and culture is vital. The truth is in the Bible but it is about how we find it. Humans have a huge capacity for argument, because God gave us our own minds.
 
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MaryM said:
Context and culture is vital. The truth is in the Bible but it is about how we find it. Humans have a huge capacity for argument, because God gave us our own minds.
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It's also because of the way the Bible was written. It's easy enough to make a case for diametrically opposed arguments and each with the backing of scripture.
The bible is a spiritual book and will really only be understood through revelation.
We all come to it with presuppositions about God and a host of other topics. So if we evaluate scripture through those lenses our understanding will frame scripture rather than scripture framing our understanding.
 
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Runningman said:
This might seem like a strange question to ask here, but after having discussed the Bible for quite a while with folks, I have reached a point where I’m puzzled.

I know we disagree about many things, but some things are pretty clear in the Bible and there’s still a disagreement. I’m beginning to wonder if some Christians just don’t believe everything the Bible says. So I’m creating a poll where people can vote anonymously.

My answer is yes I believe everything the Bible says.
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Yes, the Bible is completely true altogether. However, there are a lot of cases where people say they understand what the Bible is saying and it is not saying that. This is often not because they are dishonest but because they genuinely misunderstand what scripture is saying. Obviously, a person who is not a born again believer will often misunderstand because God has not opened that person up to receive truth in the same way as a true believer. Aside from that, one of the biggest reasons for failure among Christians to understand the Bible is when people fail to realize that although the Bible is 100% true, it is also written by God in parable form. Thus, the truth is hidden or a mystery until the parable is interpreted. Psalm 78 tells us: "Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable ". God's law mentioned here is the Bible. It is the words of his mouth. Notice God calls the Bible, the words of his mouth, a parable. The rules of interpreting a parable are shown in Mark 4. In that chapter we see that a surface text or a surface story has an interpreted meaning, which is the real meaning. For example, thorns in a story might not be talking about the thorns on a tree or bush as much as about "such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. " When the Bible mentions a rock, it might really mean Jesus since he is the rock. A sword might really mean the word of God. Grain might really mean persons. And so forth. Do you believe that the Bible is 100 percent true? Good for you. But do you also believe God himself when he says that his word is a parable?

"But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples."
 
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JohnB said:
Yes but you have to look at context. What it says about history is true, but do not apply it to today.
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Firstly every word in the Bible is a word of God and a word from God. A large portion of the Bible consists of the history of Israel and there are lessons to be learned from all of that, including the fall of Jericho. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope. (Rom 15:4)

At the same time a large portion of the Bible is prophetic. God has revealed to us the end from the beginning. But there is a lot more to the Bible, and our focus must be on the Gospels and epistles, and primarily on salvation and sanctification. The primary focus must always be on the Lord Jesus Christ, who is present throughout (before and after His incarnation). Eventually the spiritual depths of the Bible are necessary and they can only be seen by spiritual men and women guided by the Holy Spirit. The Psalms are there for worship and the Proverbs are there for wisdom. And the entire Bible is sufficient for all believers (Mt 4:4; 2 Tim 3:16,17). "That the man of God may be perfect".
 
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Runningman said:
This might seem like a strange question to ask here, but after having discussed the Bible for quite a while with folks, I have reached a point where I’m puzzled.

I know we disagree about many things, but some things are pretty clear in the Bible and there’s still a disagreement. I’m beginning to wonder if some Christians just don’t believe everything the Bible says. So I’m creating a poll where people can vote anonymously.

My answer is yes I believe everything the Bible says.
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The only Bible I trust every word to be true is the King James Bible.
 
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Yes, although I still question my own understanding of it to this day.
(Most of it I feel I have a pretty good grasp; but some things are hard to have a clear view of; but my understanding of it grows by the day thanks to the Holy Spirit's work in me and the wisdom God is faithful to grant me when I ask.)
 
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One of the biggest problems is the bible is written in 3 languages, Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. People don't take the time to look at what terms and words mean in their original language. They also don't look at context. They read it in english and leave it at that.
 
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Runningman

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John146 said:
The only Bible I trust every word to be true is the King James Bible.
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I was thinking if a verse in Revelation yesterday. I went to go look for it in the NIV and it wasn’t even there. Then I found it in the KJV. I’m quite suspicious of all of the major differences in the Bible versions.
 
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John146

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Runningman said:
I was thinking if a verse in Revelation yesterday. I went to go look for it in the NIV and it wasn’t even there. Then I found it in the KJV. I’m quite suspicious of all of the major differences in the Bible versions.
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Yes, I believe when people say that they believe every word of the bible (out of sincerity), they do not understand what they are really saying. When it comes down to it, most believers today do not know that there are many differences between the KJV and the new versions.
 
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John146

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JohnB said:
One of the biggest problems is the bible is written in 3 languages, Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. People don't take the time to look at what terms and words mean in their original language. They also don't look at context. They read it in english and leave it at that.
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You don't need to if you have a King James Bible. ;)
 
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love4thebeloved

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Runningman said:
This might seem like a strange question to ask here, but after having discussed the Bible for quite a while with folks, I have reached a point where I’m puzzled.

I know we disagree about many things, but some things are pretty clear in the Bible and there’s still a disagreement. I’m beginning to wonder if some Christians just don’t believe everything the Bible says. So I’m creating a poll where people can vote anonymously.

My answer is yes I believe everything the Bible says.
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Hi, I'm new here and upon reading this question, I find the question a bit misleading, in that depending on what one may believe the Bible is teaching may not be what another believes it is teaching, as well as what the Spirit of God reveals to one, the Spirit of God may not reveal to another, if not simply because the one may not be ready to accept what the Spirit wants to reveal. Personally I leave what I believe to what the Spirit reveals to me regardless to what another tells me is pretty clear or not, while trying to stay open to hearing God when another's teaching convicts my Spirit to accept another's teaching, whether fully or in part. As well, as for what translation one prefers, Isaiah 55: 8 reveals that God's thoughts are not our thoughts, and His ways not our ways. The sin of man has corrupted even our language and I suspect that even had man not sinned, God would still be needing to reveal His thoughts to us. So as for any translation to be without the fullness of God's thoughts seems inevitable and in part why John 14: 26 records Jesus saying that it was good that He left so that He could send the Spirit to teach us all things. So for me it isn't the translation that is as important as it is our relationship with God and the time we are in the Spirit with God so that we are able to be taught. And since it is the Spirit of the Lord that convicts, perhaps simply stating that you believe in as certain manner while sharing that leaves us open to hearing the Spirit if we still need to hear more on any given belief, rather than coming off so strong that we offend others.
Runningman said:
This might seem like a strange question to ask here, but after having discussed the Bible for quite a while with folks, I have reached a point where I’m puzzled.

I know we disagree about many things, but some things are pretty clear in the Bible and there’s still a disagreement. I’m beginning to wonder if some Christians just don’t believe everything the Bible says. So I’m creating a poll where people can vote anonymously.

My answer is yes I believe everything the Bible says.
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Not yet. But my Father loves me and will show me all He is doing.
 
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Runningman said:
I was thinking if a verse in Revelation yesterday. I went to go look for it in the NIV and it wasn’t even there. Then I found it in the KJV. I’m quite suspicious of all of the major differences in the Bible versions.
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So you need to investigate for yourself whether the verse belongs in Scripture or not. Assuming it does is just as dangerous as assuming it doesn't.
 
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John146

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Dino246 said:
So you need to investigate for yourself whether the verse belongs in Scripture or not. Assuming it does is just as dangerous as assuming it doesn't.
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That makes each one of us the final authority on what God has said. No thanks. I read the word. I study the word. I believe it. There's so much freedom in knowing I have the preserved words of God. If I don't...I could never be confident in anything I was reading.
 
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Cameron143 said:
It's also because of the way the Bible was written. It's easy enough to make a case for diametrically opposed arguments and each with the backing of scripture.
The bible is a spiritual book and will really only be understood through revelation.
We all come to it with presuppositions about God and a host of other topics. So if we evaluate scripture through those lenses our understanding will frame scripture rather than scripture framing our understanding.
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Jacob/Israel is made up of all of God's elect children from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (Rev 5:9)

Most of Jacob/Israel became disobedient to God and started worshiping idols. God scattered them to the ends of the earth, and blinded their eyes to the truth. They are still his elect, and have the promise of an eternal inheritance.

God left in the midst of them a remnant of a poor and afflicted people that will trust in the name of the Lord. The remnant of Jacob/Israel shall do no iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth; for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid. (Zeph 3:11-13).

The disobedient Israel is the invisible church described as the larger wheel, in Ezk 10::10, and the remnant of Israel is the visible church described as the smaller inner wheel.

This also harmonizes with the two gates in Matt 7:13-14, The wide gate being the invisible church (disobedient Israel, who are blinded to the truth, and are teaching, and preaching false doctrines)), and the straight gate being the visible church (the remnant of Israel, who have been revealed the truth, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit).
 
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