What is free grace theology?
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It’s entirely possible according to Peter and it has happened many times to many people, including some Bible characters.
So I’ll ask you again. Are you allowed to sin as much as you want? A simple yes or no will do.
2 Peter 2
20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” g and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
So I’ll ask you again. Are you allowed to sin as much as you want? A simple yes or no will do.
2 Peter 2
20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” g and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
Of Course!!!
But …I was free to do that before I got born again also……which I took full advantage of.
You see ….I was looking for a way out of what I was into….. which in many cases rivaled Paul before he got born again.
I rarely ever think of sin. …. If I screw up I just tell Dad …“I messed up ….sorry” and keep right on moving.
I am not sin conscious whatsoever….. I am son conscious …. all because of what God made unto me through Jesus Christ.
But …I was free to do that before I got born again also……which I took full advantage of.
You see ….I was looking for a way out of what I was into….. which in many cases rivaled Paul before he got born again.
I rarely ever think of sin. …. If I screw up I just tell Dad …“I messed up ….sorry” and keep right on moving.
I am not sin conscious whatsoever….. I am son conscious …. all because of what God made unto me through Jesus Christ.
"Easy believism?" Most likely not, as you can ask the next 100 people you meet:
"Is Salvation, By God's Grace, believing only in Christ, His Death, and Resurrection?"
Nearly guaranteed that 90-99% will answer "No"; WE "must do something!"
The Only 'condition,' Scripturally, Is "By GRACE Through faith," not the purported
belief of "faith Only" - Is it FREE Grace? What Saith The Scripture?:
Why would God Ask us to "pay" for HIS Gift He Offers us? It is Clear, is it
not, that It Must be FREE, as God, Eliminating 'man's payments' By Plainly
Saying "NOT of yourselves And NOT of works? Again,
Yet The Bible Itself Declares That "It IS Indeed True!":
12-Dozen Plain and Clear Confirming Passages That
God's FREE Gift = ETERNAL Life:
God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ
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God's Eternal Assurance
Scripturally, Because Of This FULL Expense Payment Already Made!:
The Only 'DEBT payment' we can make To Satisfy God's Justice Is
'Eternal Condemnation!' (Rom 4:4-5; Rev 20:11-15)
Thus, man's Real BIG Danger then, is Nullifying God's Word Of Truth, With:
"Yea, Hath God Said?" WHY would we agree with our "enemy, Satan's words"?
So, THE Only hope for God's FREE Gift Of ETERNAL Life, Then, is not to
Question God, But, To believe HIM, AND Then to Receive, From HIM:
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
FREE to us, But NOT FOR HIM!
"Is Salvation, By God's Grace, believing only in Christ, His Death, and Resurrection?"
Nearly guaranteed that 90-99% will answer "No"; WE "must do something!"
The Only 'condition,' Scripturally, Is "By GRACE Through faith," not the purported
belief of "faith Only" - Is it FREE Grace? What Saith The Scripture?:
"For By GRACE Are ye Saved Through faith; and that not of yourselves:
it is THE GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
(Ephesians 2:8-9)
Why would God Ask us to "pay" for HIS Gift He Offers us? It is Clear, is it
not, that It Must be FREE, as God, Eliminating 'man's payments' By Plainly
Saying "NOT of yourselves And NOT of works? Again,
What Saith The Scriptures?:
Rom_5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the FREE GIFT.
For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more
The Grace of God, and The Gift BY Grace, Which is By One Man,
Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom_5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is The
Gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but
The FREE GIFT is of many offences unto justification.
Rom_5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came
upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness
of one The FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life.
Amazing to me is, God Said It THREE Times, Yet man tells me it is not true?:Yet The Bible Itself Declares That "It IS Indeed True!":
12-Dozen Plain and Clear Confirming Passages That
God's FREE Gift = ETERNAL Life:
God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ
+
God's Eternal Assurance
Scripturally, Because Of This FULL Expense Payment Already Made!:
__~_~__~ - ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓
Christ’s FINISHED Work On The Cross
--------------------------The Only 'DEBT payment' we can make To Satisfy God's Justice Is
'Eternal Condemnation!' (Rom 4:4-5; Rev 20:11-15)
Thus, man's Real BIG Danger then, is Nullifying God's Word Of Truth, With:
"Yea, Hath God Said?" WHY would we agree with our "enemy, Satan's words"?
So, THE Only hope for God's FREE Gift Of ETERNAL Life, Then, is not to
Question God, But, To believe HIM, AND Then to Receive, From HIM:
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
FREE to us, But NOT FOR HIM!
a) Tit_3:10 "A man that is an heretick after the first and
second admonition reject;"
b) Rom 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which
cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye
have learned; and avoid them."
2) Continuing past this point is Disobedience To God, and is "bad works,"
Correct?
Since i have been back you are talking to RM a lot, so ill remind you of your own advice
second admonition reject;"
b) Rom 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which
cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye
have learned; and avoid them."
2) Continuing past this point is Disobedience To God, and is "bad works,"
Correct?
Since i have been back you are talking to RM a lot, so ill remind you of your own advice
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For sure, its a hard line to draw sometimes and to be honest its one I have trouble drawing, he likes the bible he seams to want to know the truth but doesn't think he can get be saved in this life so that's sad. I find when you deal with certain people its not necessarily about the person but often for the sake of the ones watching as well
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While you seem to be wanting to expose the error of "free grace theology" your own understanding of salvation is messed up. Who says (or where does it say) that your good works are necessary for salvation, or for justification by grace through faith?
On the contrary here is what the Bible says: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:8-10)
1. Are we saved by God's grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption? Absolutely
2. Is salvation a free gift of God? Absolutely
3. Is salvation dependent on our works? ABSOLUTELY NOT
4. Would men boast if their works counted for salvation? Absolutely
5. Are believers created for good works after salvation? Absolutely
While repentance is not mentioned in this passage, we know that repentance is necessary for the remission of sins: Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)
On the contrary here is what the Bible says: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:8-10)
1. Are we saved by God's grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption? Absolutely
2. Is salvation a free gift of God? Absolutely
3. Is salvation dependent on our works? ABSOLUTELY NOT
4. Would men boast if their works counted for salvation? Absolutely
5. Are believers created for good works after salvation? Absolutely
While repentance is not mentioned in this passage, we know that repentance is necessary for the remission of sins: Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)
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And is that contrary to the Bible? Let's see: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (Rev 3:20
Is Christ speaking about the metaphorical door of your "heart" (soul and spirit)? And is He saying that you must invite Him in? And does not the Bible says that all must receive Him as Lord and Savior? So who it is that is objecting to asking Jesus into your "heart"?
The term "heart" is used in Scripture as a metaphor for your innermost being. Your soul and spirit. And unless the Lord Jesus Christ lives within your "heart" you cannot claim to be saved, since the Bible says "Christ within, the hope of glory". Indeed the Holy Spirit also comes to dwell within the spirit of the believer, and witnesses to that spirit that he or she is a child of God. Thus we have an unction or anointing with the Spirit.
If we are going to talk about "soteriology" (I personally don't care for that term) then let's get our theology straight from Scripture. Not from Finney, or Spurgeon, or any other renowned preacher.
Is Christ speaking about the metaphorical door of your "heart" (soul and spirit)? And is He saying that you must invite Him in? And does not the Bible says that all must receive Him as Lord and Savior? So who it is that is objecting to asking Jesus into your "heart"?
The term "heart" is used in Scripture as a metaphor for your innermost being. Your soul and spirit. And unless the Lord Jesus Christ lives within your "heart" you cannot claim to be saved, since the Bible says "Christ within, the hope of glory". Indeed the Holy Spirit also comes to dwell within the spirit of the believer, and witnesses to that spirit that he or she is a child of God. Thus we have an unction or anointing with the Spirit.
If we are going to talk about "soteriology" (I personally don't care for that term) then let's get our theology straight from Scripture. Not from Finney, or Spurgeon, or any other renowned preacher.
That is simply a lame excuse. And if you would have paid close attention you would have noticed "if any man (any individual)". So the message is to individuals within the church, not the whole body. And as a matter of fact the description of the "lukewarm" also corresponds to the unsaved: wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked. Christians are none of those things.
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Its literally the text. Taking scripture for what it says in context is not lame.
“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ ”
Revelation 3:14, 16-22 NKJV
“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ ”
Revelation 3:14, 16-22 NKJV
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The context is Jesus speaking to the church of Laodicea, telling them to repent of luke warmness. This is a promise concerning them repenting. "... Repent. Behold, I stand at the door...."
You are ripping the text out of its context and imposing meaning that isnt there at all.
No where is it even implied to envite Jesus into your heart.
No part of that passage is written to those outside the church.
It is litterally a letter to the church.
You are ripping the text out of its context and imposing meaning that isnt there at all.
No where is it even implied to envite Jesus into your heart.
No part of that passage is written to those outside the church.
It is litterally a letter to the church.