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The question is.... if salvation is by grace, nothing we can do, then why doesn't God save eceryone?
Would believing be a type of works, mental works, would practicing faith be a type of works that we practice to gain salvation?
Is there a line between what those that are saved do and those that are not saved fail to do?
Do we do anything to be saved? Why are most people not saved, what seperayes the saved from the unsaved?
1, Faith in Jesus
But don't overlook the other bible verses that we are told.
Mat 10:22 .....but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Act 2:21 .....that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Act 16:30-31.....Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
1Co 15:2-3 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
It is not enough to make a profession of faith in Christ and have our names registered on the church roll. “He that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.” “Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments.” 1 John 3:24; 1 John 2:3. This is the genuine evidence of conversion. Whatever our profession, it amounts to nothing unless Christ is revealed in works of righteousness.
Would believing be a type of works, mental works, would practicing faith be a type of works that we practice to gain salvation?
Is there a line between what those that are saved do and those that are not saved fail to do?
Do we do anything to be saved? Why are most people not saved, what seperayes the saved from the unsaved?
1, Faith in Jesus
But don't overlook the other bible verses that we are told.
Mat 10:22 .....but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Act 2:21 .....that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Act 16:30-31.....Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
1Co 15:2-3 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
It is not enough to make a profession of faith in Christ and have our names registered on the church roll. “He that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.” “Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments.” 1 John 3:24; 1 John 2:3. This is the genuine evidence of conversion. Whatever our profession, it amounts to nothing unless Christ is revealed in works of righteousness.
Thanks for your questions TMS.
You asked.
"if salvation is by grace, nothing we can do, then why doesn't God save eceryone?"
Salvation is by the grace of God, there is no "if" about it.
Here read the following verses and look for the word, "grace"?
Romans 3:24
Being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.
Romans 4:16
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants.
Romans 5:2
Through whom we also have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand.
Romans 5:15
Much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many.
Romans 5:17
The abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Never a conditional statement, 'if', that is the gospel and it was always by grace!
You asked.
"if salvation is by grace, nothing we can do, then why doesn't God save eceryone?"
Salvation is by the grace of God, there is no "if" about it.
Here read the following verses and look for the word, "grace"?
Romans 3:24
Being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.
Romans 4:16
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants.
Romans 5:2
Through whom we also have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand.
Romans 5:15
Much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many.
Romans 5:17
The abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Never a conditional statement, 'if', that is the gospel and it was always by grace!
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You asked.
"Is there a line between what those that are saved do and those that are not saved fail to do?"
The only way to be saved is through believing in Jesus. This is where we stop. That is the fundamental doctrine of Christianity.
Now for your question which is a secondary doctrine. Your question above, relates to the duties a spirit filled person should embark on. You cannot receive the Holy Spirit until you believe in Jesus. You cannot bear fruit without the Holy Spirit.
One must believe first to be able to obey commandments, yet they all still transgress.
One is saved when they believe in Jesus.
Anyone who calls on the name of Jesus is saved, no ifs or buts about that.
You must maintain that separation between God's divine work, your salvation, and your miniscule attempt at your own works.
It is utter blasphemy to mention your works in the same breath as Christ's works!
"Is there a line between what those that are saved do and those that are not saved fail to do?"
The only way to be saved is through believing in Jesus. This is where we stop. That is the fundamental doctrine of Christianity.
Now for your question which is a secondary doctrine. Your question above, relates to the duties a spirit filled person should embark on. You cannot receive the Holy Spirit until you believe in Jesus. You cannot bear fruit without the Holy Spirit.
One must believe first to be able to obey commandments, yet they all still transgress.
One is saved when they believe in Jesus.
Anyone who calls on the name of Jesus is saved, no ifs or buts about that.
You must maintain that separation between God's divine work, your salvation, and your miniscule attempt at your own works.
It is utter blasphemy to mention your works in the same breath as Christ's works!
Your question.
"Do we do anything to be saved? Why are most people not saved, what seperayes the saved from the unsaved?"
Your struggling to understand the text and I cannot see why?
Salvation is a gift and is not a reward for your hard work.
Salvation is by grace and not from yourself.
The only way to receive salvation is by grace from first to last.
Jesus reconciled you to His Father and you played no part in that.
What separates the saved from the unsaved? JESUS!!!!
"Do we do anything to be saved? Why are most people not saved, what seperayes the saved from the unsaved?"
Your struggling to understand the text and I cannot see why?
Salvation is a gift and is not a reward for your hard work.
Salvation is by grace and not from yourself.
The only way to receive salvation is by grace from first to last.
Jesus reconciled you to His Father and you played no part in that.
What separates the saved from the unsaved? JESUS!!!!
Your statement.
"1, Faith in Jesus
But don't overlook the other bible verses that we are told.
Mat 10:22 .....but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
You must endure in your faith until the end. Because you cannot be saved, if you let go of Jesus.
The gospel is Jesus first and Jesus last.
I have not overlooked anything.
"1, Faith in Jesus
But don't overlook the other bible verses that we are told.
Mat 10:22 .....but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
You must endure in your faith until the end. Because you cannot be saved, if you let go of Jesus.
The gospel is Jesus first and Jesus last.
I have not overlooked anything.
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Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).
Grace, Peace, And JOY!...
The grace/works concept is an interesting dichotomy to wrestle with. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus no doubt, yet "works" are a natural byproduct of the fruit manifested by the Spirit. If we are in Christ (i.e. grace), good results will manifest themselves by the Holy Spirit that dwells within us.
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Yes it is interesting the distinction between the work of God and the work of man.
Salvation by grace as a gift in and through Jesus Christ only.
And the alternative gospel.
The alternative gospel that states, what can I do to contribute to that free gift. My works plus the work of Jesus will save.
One is heresy and the other is the divine gospel.
Can you distinguish between them?
Salvation by grace as a gift in and through Jesus Christ only.
And the alternative gospel.
The alternative gospel that states, what can I do to contribute to that free gift. My works plus the work of Jesus will save.
One is heresy and the other is the divine gospel.
Can you distinguish between them?
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Just wanted to add something on this point as I think you all are missing one crucial point... Faith. That is to say that God doesn't save "everyone" simply because not everyone has faith, or even a belief in God (denial).
Eph. 2:8-9 (ESV) For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Eph. 2:8-9 (ESV) For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
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To me the ten commandments seem transcendent because of the fact God wrote them with His own finger in the tables of stone, then promises to write His "laws" in our hearts under the new covenant. I used to be confused as to if this means 1: all the laws Moses wrote in the torah or 2: the Ten Commandments. Now I think I'm pretty convinced it's the latter. He wrote them once in stone and now in our hearts.
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Deuteronomy 30:6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Matthew 22: 36 - 40
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22: 36 - 40
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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