Woman Arrested for Silent Prayer

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ResidentAlien

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1.) I think your claim to have perfect knowledge of all her thoughts and motives would require you to be a mind reader.
Go back and watch the videos, it's all there.

2.) I'm baffled by the phrase "a place where she knew she had no business".... as if a free citizen in the U.K. cannot move about freely and go wherever she pleases.
She was in a "censorship zone" and she knew she wasn't supposed to stand there praying. I'm not saying censorship zones are good, I'm just saying the woman knew she had no business standing there praying.
 

ZNP

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#43
Go back and watch the videos, it's all there.



She was in a "censorship zone" and she knew she wasn't supposed to stand there praying. I'm not saying censorship zones are good, I'm just saying the woman knew she had no business standing there praying.
Or she knew they had no business outlawing prayer.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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#44
What happened was she went to a place where she knew she had no business and started praying. She wanted to get arrested and that's exactly what happened. Otherwise she would've made up something: Oh, I was just enjoying the lovely weather today; or, I was waiting for someone but they never showed, I'll be going now.
She did not break into that place of mass murder, nor did she trespass.
She was on public property.
God's people know that they can pray anywhere.

You might have projected your own thoughts on what the woman would have or should have said, but she said what she did regardless of what anyone thinks. When someone is under duress of a couple of thugs that have the power to turn your life upsidedown, some people speak the truth, even though a team of lawyers might have told her to keep her mouth closed.
You can disagree if you want, but the UK police committed the transgressions, not her.
She was trying to get arrested. She got what she wanted.
She won't be featured in the Foxes Book of Martyrs, but regardless, what do you do with Daniel chapter 3?

"There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.13 Then Nebuchadnezzar in his rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Then they brought these men before the king.14 Nebuchadnezzar spake and said unto them, Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up?15 Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king."
 

ZNP

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#45
She won't be featured in the Foxes Book of Martyrs, but regardless, what do you do with Daniel chapter 3?
I think his objection is Biblical.

Daniel 6:11 Then these men assembled, and found Daniel praying and making supplication before his God.

12 Then they came near, and spake before the king concerning the king's decree; Hast thou not signed a decree, that every man that shall ask a petition of any God or man within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions? The king answered and said, The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.

13 Then answered they and said before the king, That Daniel, which is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the decree that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition three times a day.

14 Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him.

15 Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.
 

shittim

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#46
No one can keep us from linking arms with our Lord in His work.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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#47
I think his objection is Biblical.

Daniel 6:11 Then these men assembled, and found Daniel praying and making supplication before his God.

12 Then they came near, and spake before the king concerning the king's decree; Hast thou not signed a decree, that every man that shall ask a petition of any God or man within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions? The king answered and said, The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.

13 Then answered they and said before the king, That Daniel, which is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the decree that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition three times a day.

14 Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him.

15 Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.
How so?
 

HealthAndHappiness

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#48
No one can keep us from linking arms with our Lord in His work.
I agree with you.
I'm not even sure whether or not she is saved. My point is There are pro-lifers who may be trusting in their good deeds for salvation, but still have the common right to pray anywhere they want. I stand on the lady's side regardless of whether she felt she might get arrested for quietly standing there or not. Here's a group in my home state who decided to do something similar.

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