How about "Shrimp on the barbie"?
Who would thought that a shrimp cocktail could send them to hell?
Do you observe the Sabbath?
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Who would thought that a shrimp cocktail could send them to hell?
And you are very wise. I was using it as observance against observance. Not it's function.
I went to bed last night and today there are 50 plus posts to read.
I want to respond to many but it would take too long.
Reading many, it is clear that people do not understand the old and new covenants.
Because people are saying...
" the law is not valid in the new covenant", "the sabbath isn't part of the new covenant".
I'd really like bible verses to prove this.
I've give proff that the old covenant is not the 10 commandments, and explained the old covenant compared to the new...
Please explain from the bible how the new covenant has made the 10 commandments void.
I want to respond to many but it would take too long.
Reading many, it is clear that people do not understand the old and new covenants.
Because people are saying...
" the law is not valid in the new covenant", "the sabbath isn't part of the new covenant".
I'd really like bible verses to prove this.
I've give proff that the old covenant is not the 10 commandments, and explained the old covenant compared to the new...
Please explain from the bible how the new covenant has made the 10 commandments void.
Another side point.
Because Jesus rose on Sunday, it is not a reason to change Gods commandment. No one has given a bible verse to sustain that Sundays is the new or replaced sabbath.
Because Jesus rose on Sunday, it is not a reason to change Gods commandment. No one has given a bible verse to sustain that Sundays is the new or replaced sabbath.
I would say that Paul did warn for the space of 3 years, night and day with tears, that after his departure (death) grievous wolves would enter in, not sparing the flock. Acts 20:28-31. We are told to Take Heed.
We know that the Catholic Church began, by degrees, from the earliest of the Church to bring in damnable doctrines. That is why we were warned so much by the LORD "Do not let any man deceive you" and that even the elect would be deceived if that were possible.
At this point all we can do is Diligently seek the LORD, search the Scriptures to see if these things are so, prove all things (chapter and verse to be ready to give an account of what you believe.) and be careful you are not one of those not receiving a love of the Truth and wrestling with the Scriptures to your own destruction, but with meekness see if these things are so.
The most important covenant of all was set up long before this world came into existence. It was a covenant between the Father and the Son and had to do with the eventuality of sin. Jesus offered Himself there in the vast eternity of the past as the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Revelation 13:8. He agreed to become the atoning sacrifice to redeem man, should Adam and Eve choose to sin.
The terms of that eternal covenant have never been changed or superseded. Although many other covenants have been established through the years, the simple provision of salvation through faith has remained in effect through all ages, for all mankind.
Do you believe that Adam is saved by faith through the blood of Jesus and today we are saved by faith in the blood of Jesus and everyone between is saved by faith in the blood of Jesus.
Heb 11:4-11 By faith Abel ..... By faith Enoch...... Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, ......and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, .....By faith Moses,....By faith the harlot Rahab perished not.....
Heb 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Heb 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Heb 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
This is old testament. So what is the new covenant?
The terms of that eternal covenant have never been changed or superseded. Although many other covenants have been established through the years, the simple provision of salvation through faith has remained in effect through all ages, for all mankind.
Do you believe that Adam is saved by faith through the blood of Jesus and today we are saved by faith in the blood of Jesus and everyone between is saved by faith in the blood of Jesus.
Heb 11:4-11 By faith Abel ..... By faith Enoch...... Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, ......and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, .....By faith Moses,....By faith the harlot Rahab perished not.....
Heb 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Heb 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Heb 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
This is old testament. So what is the new covenant?
Here is how Paul describes the two: Hebrews 8:6-13.
"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them,(Israel), he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they (Israel) continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: ... For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:6-13.
"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them,(Israel), he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they (Israel) continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: ... For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:6-13.
let us look at three absolute proofs that the covenant which disappeared was not the Ten Commandments.
First of all, we notice that the Old Covenant had some poor promises in it. The New Covenant, we are told, "was established upon better promises." Verse 6. Has anyone ever been able to point out any poor promises in the Ten Commandments? Never.
The second thing wrong with the Old Covenant was that it was faulty. The Bible says, "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." Hebrews 8:7. Has any man ever been able to find a fault or a flaw in the handwriting of God? The psalmist declared, "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul." Psalm 19:7. Paul wrote, "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:12.
Does that sound like something weak and imperfect? No law could be perfect and faulty at the same time.
Finally, though, we read the most dramatic thing about the Old Covenant - it was to be abolished! "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13. Now we can ask a serious question that should settle every doubt on this matter. Did the great moral law of Ten Commandments vanish away? Anyone who has read the New Testament must answer, Absolutely not. Paul affirms the exact opposite about the law. He asked, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31.
Does the Bible contradict itself? Can something vanish away and be established at the same time? Did the same writer say opposite things about the same law?
Can you agree that the 10 commandment law is not the old covanant, and that even thou the old covanant has vanished, that does not apply to the 10 commandments.
First of all, we notice that the Old Covenant had some poor promises in it. The New Covenant, we are told, "was established upon better promises." Verse 6. Has anyone ever been able to point out any poor promises in the Ten Commandments? Never.
The second thing wrong with the Old Covenant was that it was faulty. The Bible says, "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." Hebrews 8:7. Has any man ever been able to find a fault or a flaw in the handwriting of God? The psalmist declared, "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul." Psalm 19:7. Paul wrote, "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:12.
Does that sound like something weak and imperfect? No law could be perfect and faulty at the same time.
Finally, though, we read the most dramatic thing about the Old Covenant - it was to be abolished! "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13. Now we can ask a serious question that should settle every doubt on this matter. Did the great moral law of Ten Commandments vanish away? Anyone who has read the New Testament must answer, Absolutely not. Paul affirms the exact opposite about the law. He asked, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31.
Does the Bible contradict itself? Can something vanish away and be established at the same time? Did the same writer say opposite things about the same law?
Can you agree that the 10 commandment law is not the old covanant, and that even thou the old covanant has vanished, that does not apply to the 10 commandments.
"And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words." Ex 24:7,8
We are reminded that this covenant was not the law itself but was made "concerning all these words." The Ten Commandments were part of the agreement. The people promised to keep that law, and God promised to bless them in return. The crucial weakness in the whole arrangement revolved around the way Israel promised. Gods promises and Gods law are perfect.
All that the Lord hath said will we do.
We are reminded that this covenant was not the law itself but was made "concerning all these words." The Ten Commandments were part of the agreement. The people promised to keep that law, and God promised to bless them in return. The crucial weakness in the whole arrangement revolved around the way Israel promised. Gods promises and Gods law are perfect.
All that the Lord hath said will we do.
"For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth." Hebrews 9:16, 17. The word "testament" is the same as the word "covenant." Only after a man's last will and testament has been ratified by his death can the provisions be executed. In the same way, Christ's covenant or testament would begin to operate just as soon as He had confirmed the covenant by His death at Calvary.
"Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto." Galatians 3:15. Paul is saying here that after a man's death, his will or covenant cannot be changed. Not one new addition can be made after the death of the testator. The covenant stands forever exactly as it stood when the testator died.
"Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto." Galatians 3:15. Paul is saying here that after a man's death, his will or covenant cannot be changed. Not one new addition can be made after the death of the testator. The covenant stands forever exactly as it stood when the testator died.
How could Sunday keeping be a part of the New Covenant? Nothing could be added after the death of Christ. He died on Friday and was resurrected on Sunday. If Sunday was added after Jesus died, it could never be a part of the New Covenant.
Paul portrays Isaac and Ishmael, the two sons of Abraham, as representing the Old and New Covenants. He plainly shows that Hagar's son, Ishmael, symbolizes the Old Covenant, and Sarah's son, Isaac, is a type of the New Covenant. Gal 4:22-25
Those sons are a perfect illustration. God had promised Abraham a son by his wife Sarah, but because she was almost 90 years old, neither of them believed such a thing could happen. Sarah knew that her womb was dead and that she was long past the age for bearing children. So she suggested that her husband take Hagar, her handmaid, and have a child by her. It seemed the only way to rescue God from an impossible promise. In time, Abraham yielded to the face-saving device and had a child by Hagar.
Here is an exact illustration of the Old Covenant principle of "we will do." Abraham tried to work it out in the flesh, according to human effort and planning. This failed just as surely as the Old Covenant promises failed, because there was no dependence on divine power. God did not ever recognize Ishmael as the promised seed.
When Isaac was born, it was a miracle. God actually created a new life out of a biologically barren womb. Isaac perfectly represents the principle of the New Covenant relationship based upon regeneration, a new-birth experience, which begets the life of the Son of God in all who believe. The natural, physical womb of Sarah was totally incapable of producing any fruit. In the same way, the natural, carnal body and mind of a sinner cannot bring forth the fruit of obedience. When God used His power to create a new life within Sarah, the impossible happened, and she bore a son. When God uses His power to create new life in the soul, the impossible happens again - a human being becomes spiritual and obedient.
Isaac was not "born after the flesh," but "after the Spirit." Galatians 4:29. Because man is carnal and "weak in the flesh," he has no power to attain to the righteousness of the law.
Every attempt to obey the law, based on, Old-Covenant, human effort will produce only children of bondage. The law must be written into the heart by the Holy Spirit and fulfilled by "Christ in you."
Those sons are a perfect illustration. God had promised Abraham a son by his wife Sarah, but because she was almost 90 years old, neither of them believed such a thing could happen. Sarah knew that her womb was dead and that she was long past the age for bearing children. So she suggested that her husband take Hagar, her handmaid, and have a child by her. It seemed the only way to rescue God from an impossible promise. In time, Abraham yielded to the face-saving device and had a child by Hagar.
Here is an exact illustration of the Old Covenant principle of "we will do." Abraham tried to work it out in the flesh, according to human effort and planning. This failed just as surely as the Old Covenant promises failed, because there was no dependence on divine power. God did not ever recognize Ishmael as the promised seed.
When Isaac was born, it was a miracle. God actually created a new life out of a biologically barren womb. Isaac perfectly represents the principle of the New Covenant relationship based upon regeneration, a new-birth experience, which begets the life of the Son of God in all who believe. The natural, physical womb of Sarah was totally incapable of producing any fruit. In the same way, the natural, carnal body and mind of a sinner cannot bring forth the fruit of obedience. When God used His power to create a new life within Sarah, the impossible happened, and she bore a son. When God uses His power to create new life in the soul, the impossible happens again - a human being becomes spiritual and obedient.
Isaac was not "born after the flesh," but "after the Spirit." Galatians 4:29. Because man is carnal and "weak in the flesh," he has no power to attain to the righteousness of the law.
Every attempt to obey the law, based on, Old-Covenant, human effort will produce only children of bondage. The law must be written into the heart by the Holy Spirit and fulfilled by "Christ in you."
Thanks for this enlightened post on a vexed subject.
You are mistaken. The resurrection of Christ was "added" after the death of Christ, and that changed everything. Why did Christ return to meet with His apostles exactly eight days after His resurrection in order to put the doubts of Thomas to rest? And did Thomas worship him on that first day of the week? And there is no question that the NT churches were meeting to worship on the first day of the week and to also observe the Lord's Supper.
Christ could have returned the very next day and Paul could have met with the church in Troas the very next day also. But that is not how things went because the Lord was establishing the Lord's Day. And the apostle John was therefore "in the Spirit" (worshipping) on the Lord's Day (Rev 1:10).
The law has passed.
You are not required to obey the priesthood.
You no longer have to make offerings.
Nor do you need to sacrifice.
The health laws are not applicable.
The food laws are redundant.
The civil law is obsolete.
The temple laws no longer apply.
Feast days are no longer required.
The moral laws were fulfilled by Jesus.
The new is here and the old has vanished.
Like the circumcision of the flesh and the circumcision of the heart.
Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The new covenant is about a transformed heart. being born of the Spirit.
Keeping the Sabbath and obeying any other law is an inward transformation achived by Gods Spirit in us.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
We are delivered from the laws death penalty the law points out sin and we are free from sin in Christ. "that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve and obey the law in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
The new covenant promises that God will write the law on our hearts.
We should look at the life Jesus the perfect standard of righteousness. We should Study the word.... 2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
The Law (10 commandments) in Ex 20 is clear.
The 4th commandment states....Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
We need to be careful we don't fall under the old covenant and keep the letter of the law in our own strength, without Jesus.
Keeping the Sabbath under the new covenant is achieved by dieing to the flesh, not trying to do it in our own strength, letting Jesus transform and mold us, and trusting in Jesus's righteousness both imparted and imputed.