Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....
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"you" in vv. 4-5 is plural, not singular.
Romans 10:5 & Galatians 3:12 both address this passage specifically and in both witnesses it is clear that the righteousness of Christ - and of the believer who follows Him - is not by the keeping of the law, nor is the life that is in us by keeping the law, but by Christ who lives in us. Both these clear witnesses make a sharp contrast between the righteousness and life that might have been through the law and that which through faith in the true life who is a person, Jesus the Son Himself.
Christ did not need to be "saved" - that's blasphemy. In fact in Mark 15 the idea that Jesus has need of salvation is specifically called blasphemy. He Himself is Salvation Itself. It's literally the meaning of the name Jesus: Yah Shua, Yah is Salvation.
Romans 10:5 & Galatians 3:12 both address this passage specifically and in both witnesses it is clear that the righteousness of Christ - and of the believer who follows Him - is not by the keeping of the law, nor is the life that is in us by keeping the law, but by Christ who lives in us. Both these clear witnesses make a sharp contrast between the righteousness and life that might have been through the law and that which through faith in the true life who is a person, Jesus the Son Himself.
Christ did not need to be "saved" - that's blasphemy. In fact in Mark 15 the idea that Jesus has need of salvation is specifically called blasphemy. He Himself is Salvation Itself. It's literally the meaning of the name Jesus: Yah Shua, Yah is Salvation.
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was it blasphemy for the writer of Hebrews to say the Son needed to be saved from death, the death He suffered for us when He took our sins upon Himself as if they were His own?
7 He, in the days of His flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to Him Who was able to save Him from death, and having been heard for His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which He suffered.
7 He, in the days of His flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to Him Who was able to save Him from death, and having been heard for His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which He suffered.
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Did the Son become a Man, Who became a Servant, as He calls Himself all through Psalm 119, to suffer death for us. as the law and His Father required of Him, to save us from our sins, and give us Eternal life? was He made sin for us while on the cross and suffer death as a result? did He bear our sins in His own body on the cross?
5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Messiah Yeshua, 6 Who, existing in the form of YAH, didn’t consider equality with YAH a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, He humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.
5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Messiah Yeshua, 6 Who, existing in the form of YAH, didn’t consider equality with YAH a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, He humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.
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I appreciate all the feedback on the passage. I've seen quite a bit of teaching online and elsewhere saying that we, since we have the Holy Spirit, we can now keep these Laws from the heart. I don't feel like I can judge someone who does these old covenant commands according to Romans 14: 6, but also, we're not supposed let anyone judge us for not keeping the Laws contained in ordinances Colossians 2:16 and Romans 14:5 God is able to make each of us stand! We will be held accountable if we judged our brethren in these cases.
I personally don't mind if someone wants to keep those feasts / and sabbath Laws. I believe there're profit in learning the feasts and applying the spiritual principles therein. 2 Tim. 3:16, 17.
I totally agree that we are under the Law of faith and Law of Christ. 1corinthians 3:23.
I personally don't mind if someone wants to keep those feasts / and sabbath Laws. I believe there're profit in learning the feasts and applying the spiritual principles therein. 2 Tim. 3:16, 17.
I totally agree that we are under the Law of faith and Law of Christ. 1corinthians 3:23.
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You are quite welcome, and, I apologize, I missed "new member,"
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Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome To Chat.
Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).
Grace, Peace, And JOY!...
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Addendum: Correct, Under Grace:
Rom_3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law?
of works? Nay: but by the law of faith." (cp Gal 5:6)
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Gal_6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Amen.
so:
Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome To Chat.
Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).
Grace, Peace, And JOY!...
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Addendum: Correct, Under Grace:
Rom_3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law?
of works? Nay: but by the law of faith." (cp Gal 5:6)
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Gal_6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Amen.
"autos" is used for emphasis, as in "he, himself" -- the very one.
it is Christ who saves. if Christ is in any need of salvation, He cannot save.
be careful in your understanding of what company you find yourself in:
Christ has power to lay down His life and He has power to take it up again. no one takes it from Him. John 10:18
Christ raised Himself. John 2:19
this is no contradiction because Jesus Christ is the LORD God Almighty Himself dwelling in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16, Zechariah 12:10, John 19:37
the context of Hebrews 5 is priesthood - an eternal priesthood far greater than any human priesthood of Levi ((thus the Mosaic law given to an adulterous and disobedient people is changed; see Hebrews 7)). what priest prays for himself? the station of a priest is to intercede for others. where does Jesus ever pray for Himself? He prays for His disciples, and for us.
it is to the Only Saviour Himself that our Saviour the LORD Jesus made supplications. Titus 2:13
it is the smoking furnace and the flaming torch of Genesis 15. Hebrews 5:7-8 is a triune passage.
it is Christ who saves. if Christ is in any need of salvation, He cannot save.
be careful in your understanding of what company you find yourself in:
And those who passed by blasphemed Him, wagging their heads and saying, “Aha! You who destroy the temple and build it in three days, save Yourself, and come down from the cross!”
Likewise the chief priests also, mocking among themselves with the scribes, said, “He saved others; Himself He cannot save."
(Mark 15:29-31)
those saying Christ must be saved are categorically called blasphemers by the word of God. (Mark 15:29-31)
Christ has power to lay down His life and He has power to take it up again. no one takes it from Him. John 10:18
Christ raised Himself. John 2:19
this is no contradiction because Jesus Christ is the LORD God Almighty Himself dwelling in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16, Zechariah 12:10, John 19:37
the context of Hebrews 5 is priesthood - an eternal priesthood far greater than any human priesthood of Levi ((thus the Mosaic law given to an adulterous and disobedient people is changed; see Hebrews 7)). what priest prays for himself? the station of a priest is to intercede for others. where does Jesus ever pray for Himself? He prays for His disciples, and for us.
it is to the Only Saviour Himself that our Saviour the LORD Jesus made supplications. Titus 2:13
it is the smoking furnace and the flaming torch of Genesis 15. Hebrews 5:7-8 is a triune passage.
Here are some verses that signify a shadow law that was fulfilled by Jesus. That shadow law then became the spiritual commandment.
James 2:8
If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.
Galatians 6:2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Romans 13:8-10
Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
James 2:8
If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.
Galatians 6:2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Romans 13:8-10
Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
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