Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

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kaylagrl said:
Coming is an act of free will. Trust me on this. I have a German Shepard and it took me a long time to teach her to come to me for her own safety. And as well trained as she is she still enacts her free will when she sees a kitty cat and doesn't come to me. I can even see her making the calculation in her head, if her action is going to lead her to or away from me.




Again, and act of free will. He that doeth, that is an action. And of you can doeth you cannot doeth with your free will.






1 Tim. This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth...For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and men, the Man, Christ Jesus, Who gave Himself a ransom for all,







No, children learn right from wrong and based on consequences vs rewards they learn to choose right from wrong. It's taught.




There is an old song we use to sing and it said "He could have called ten thousand angels." But He didn't he CHOSE to be obedient to the Fathers will.




Ummm ,I can't die to forgive my own sins. Glory goes to Jesus.





That is speaking about the chosen Jews verses Gentiles.
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there is no freewill
 
ForestGreenCook said:
Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit (Gal 5:22), Therefore a person does not have spiritual faith until after he has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is given when the person is quickened, by God, to the new spiritual life. (Eph 2:1-5).
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Sorry, but Abraham WAS NEVER indwelled by the Holy Spirit. NO HUMAN WAS until John 20:22 AFTER the Ressurection.
 
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Iconoclast said:
there is no freewill
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Matt. For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

Man has a choice, or God is unjust.
 
Bob-Carabbio said:
Sorry, but Abraham WAS NEVER indwelled by the Holy Spirit. NO HUMAN WAS until John 20:22 AFTER the Ressurection.
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All who prophesized in the Old Testament were filled with God's Holy Spirit. 1 Sam 10: 6 And the spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
 
ForestGreenCook said:
Can you explain to me how the natural man becomes a spiritual man?
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I don't believe you really want to know, since you have ignored the POWER of the Gospel (posted earlier). You would sooner cling to your Calvinistic nonsense than believe what God has said about the Gospel.

It is now axiomatic that once a person grabs hold of a false teaching, he will never let it go. Instead he will double down and triple down on his heresy. And that is why Paul said that after the first and second admonition, a heretic should simply be rejected (Tit 3:10)
 
Iconoclast said:
there is no freewill
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Man will stand judgement for his actions. Which means he is responsible for them. If he is responible for his actions then he acted of his own accord. God is just, Calvin is not.
The scripture gives credit to God for salvation and places blame on the man who is damned.
 
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Runningman said:
God doesn’t make people obey Him even though He wants them to. That’s clear in the world and in the Bible. The verses I supplied you already proved my point. I can’t help you if you don’t accept them, but there’s more. You’re free to dig them up.

I’ve found it’s better for some learners if they find that what they are trying to learn was their idea rather than learning through debate. In a debate people don’t want to be wrong and when the pride and ego gets involved people start twisting scripture like a professional contortionist. Counterintuitively, it’s a great weakness of many.
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The point I'm making is that words have specific meanings in specific contexts and when it comes to talking about what God does and doesn't do it is absolutely essential that we interpret the words He used in the manner in which He intended...lest we misrepresent Him and possibly mislead others.

So, to get to the bottom line. You made a certain statement which you believe to be true. I quite legitimately ask you to substantiate your opinion of how to interpret the words: "God wills that all will be saved."

But you haven't done so despite several exchanges. And now you resort to the above escape route to get out of offering a Scriptural-based reference to support your view.

IF you really truly don't think that debate is worthwhile then just what on earth are you doing posting your opinions which you presumably want others to accept?
 
WillB said:
The point I'm making is that words have specific meanings in specific contexts and when it comes to talking about what God does and doesn't do it is absolutely essential that we interpret the words He used in the manner in which He intended...lest we misrepresent Him and possibly mislead others.

So, to get to the bottom line. You made a certain statement which you believe to be true. I quite legitimately ask you to substantiate your opinion of how to interpret the words: "God wills that all will be saved."

But you haven't done so despite several exchanges. And now you resort to the above escape route to get out of offering a Scriptural-based reference to support your view.

IF you really truly don't think that debate is worthwhile then just what on earth are you doing posting your opinions which you presumably want others to accept?
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I made my point in post #783 which proves God wants to save everyone but not all will be saved. The exchanges that have taken place thereafter have been me trying to get you to actually accept what it says. You’re not doing that and it isn’t a problem for me.

Since then, you’ve resorted to not accepting universally agreed about definitions of words. You’re splitting hairs to avoid the undeniable reality that God doesn’t force people to be saved because He requires their choice to have faith.

There is not escape route being used. I’m not trapped nor do I need to prove anything else since you clearly reject what I showed you as ample proof. I’m not one to beat the dead horse so to speak. You clearly have a different perspective that you have yet to prove using scripture. I’m willing to leave it at that.
 
MessengerofTruth said:
By the work of the Spirit in our spirit. A wind that blows across your heart and brings Truth. As we respond to that Truth it furrows the Hard soil of our heart until the ground is fallowed enough to accept the seed of the gospel, to the acknowledging of our sins, and the desire to be made clean in the presence of a Holy GOD that demands justice.
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Can you give me scriptures that reinforces this, to help me understand where you are coming from?
 
kaylagrl said:
Right, what were the stripes on His back for, why did He die at all. If only the elect are going to heaven, what's the point.
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Jesus was a sacrifice to redeem only those that his Father gave to him, not all mankind. How can you interpret John 6:37-38 any other way?
 
Iconoclast said:
there is no freewill
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I believe the scriptures to teach that God did give mankind the freedom to choose how he wants to live his life here on earth, but their eternal inheritance is given by God's sovereign grace, without man's choosing.

Can you explain, with scripture, that there is no free will?
 
kaylagrl said:
No, He did not.
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Romans 9: 11-13 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth), It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Some of you on CC need to do more reading and less posting (unless your postings are questions).
 
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