That's not grace...that's worksAccording to scripture, you are. See the Parable of the shower, 1 Corinthians 15, Hebrews 3, 2 Peter 2:21, etc.
That's not grace...that's worksAccording to scripture, you are. See the Parable of the shower, 1 Corinthians 15, Hebrews 3, 2 Peter 2:21, etc.
Our soul returns to God from whom it was given when we were but dust in human form that was created in his image and likeness.Yes.
When an apostate draws back into perdition, no one has taken him out of God's hand. He has forfeited His own salvation. He is cast forth as an unproductive branch and burned in the fire. This is not because of lack of good works, but because of lack of fruit.''...And no one shall take them from my hand.''
He alone (the blessed and only Sovereign One—the King of kings
and Lord of lords) is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light.
Man attains to immortality by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.
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From 1 Corinthians 15:50-54
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We'll agree to disagree.When an apostate draws back into perdition, no one has taken him out of God's hand. He has forfeited His own salvation. He is cast forth as an unproductive branch and burned in the fire. This is not because of lack of good works, but because of lack of fruit.
Luke 13:9
“And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.”
Matthew 7:
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
If one finds it soothing to say that people who lose their salvation were never saved in the first place, then I will let them to that. Just remember to maintain a humble and repentant heart lest you become "never saved in the first place."
Our soul returns to God from whom it was given when we were but dust in human form that was created in his image and likeness.
Our soul can enter heaven or Sheol after we die, or Hell, where ''we'' shall reside for eternity. That's immortality.
That which is from immortal father is immortal.
I trust Jesus died to keep his promise.Jesus said that only those who believe will have eternal life. All others perish… they aren’t immortal. That means immortality is conditional and being immortal in hell is kind of the anti-thesis to the gospel.
John 3
16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I trust Jesus died to keep his promise.
If salvation can be lost, it is not salvation.
No, it is not a small matter.When you get your salvation it won't be lost. Are you in heaven right now?
Does God put all of His cards on the table, give you all of the gifts, and effectively give us the advantage to be unrepentant sinners having already swooped up the irrevocable gift of eternal life because at one point we were true believers? I don't think that's how it works. That's why endurance in the faith, in this life, is required. After one has proven themselves worthy then they are given the grand gift of eternal life. This message is repeated repeatedly in the New Testament. Do take note and make every effort to accept it since this is not a small matter.
I believe that all men are born as living souls. A human baby is more than just a blob of flesh.Jesus said that only those who believe will have eternal life. All others perish… they aren’t immortal. That means immortality is conditional and being immortal in hell is kind of the anti-thesis to the gospel.
...as opposed to eternal death in the Lake of Fire. ("persish" does not imply annihilationism.)John 3
16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I believe that all men are born as living souls. A human baby is more than just a blob of flesh.
...as opposed to eternal death in the Lake of Fire. ("persish" does not imply annihilationism.)
When you get your salvation it won't be lost. Are you in heaven right now?
Does God put all of His cards on the table, give you all of the gifts, and effectively give us the advantage to be unrepentant sinners having already swooped up the irrevocable gift of eternal life because at one point we were true believers? I don't think that's how it works. That's why endurance in the faith, in this life, is required. After one has proven themselves worthy then they are given the grand gift of eternal life. This message is repeated repeatedly in the New Testament. Do take note and make every effort to accept it since this is not a small matter.
the question is not correct. Who is responsible for the walk?Who is responsible for maintaining the belief?
Ephesians 2
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
I believe that all men are born as living souls. A human baby is more than just a blob of flesh.
...as opposed to eternal death in the Lake of Fire. ("persish" does not imply annihilationism.)
Fair enough. In Philippians 1:6 what does it mean that He who began the work will continue until the day of Jesus Christ?the question is not correct. Who is responsible for the walk?
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
The key thing that's always overlooked or ignored is where it says "in Christ Jesus." If we don't endure, if we don't hold fast to the truth and remain in Him, we've jumped out of the life boat. At what point will this result in disaster is anyone's guess; so it's best to just stay in the lifeboat and be thankful.
Not quite.
This is about eternal life in the coming age as Jesus mentioned many times in Matt. 19:29, Luke 18:29, Luke 20:35-36, and John 5:28-29.
Paul mentions it too in the next verse.
Ephesians 2
7in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus
The key thing that's always overlooked or ignored is where it says "in Christ Jesus." If we don't endure, if we don't hold fast to the truth and remain in Him, we've jumped out of the life boat. At what point will this result in disaster is anyone's guess; so it's best to just stay in the lifeboat and be thankful.