Can a Christian lose salvation?

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Cameron143

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"Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain." 1 Corinthians 15:1-2

I don't see how this could be any clearer: They received the message; they were standing in the truth; they were saved, if they remained in the truth. They had already received the word, now Paul is telling them to stand fast. If they fell away, then indeed, it would have all been for nothing.
Interesting. Your interpretation is right if salvation is by works...if YOU hold fast. If it is by grace, YOU holding fast is evidence of the work of God that cannot fail.
Works depends on us keeping ourselves. Grace depends on God keeping us.
 

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Totally agree; how do they (with more power than God?) nullify And Reverse

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The Bible tells us, we are saved by[.b] God and his grace through faith.

The natural mind cannot understand the things of the spirit. Those are foolishness to him because those are spiritually discerned.

We cannot choose to come to faith for that very reason.

We are saved by God and his grace through faith.
Jesus tells us, no one comes to the Father but through me.

W are not saved of ourselves so we cannot boast at our salvation because God saved us through faith.

Our natural minds could not accept, understand, things of the spirit because those things are foolishness to us.

Think of sarcastic unbelievers as that example.

Only through intercession by the Holy Spirit, God, are we able to understand the things of God.

Jesus, Immanuel ,''God with us'', was the embodiment of God's grace and faith gift.
 
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The Bible tells us, we are saved by[.b] God and his grace through faith.
Saved by God’s grace through your faith not by [good] works, i.e., the good things you do don’t make you saved. God’s grace is not from ourselves, but faith is. Throughout scripture, we are told to have faith and keep our faith.

Ephesians 2
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
 

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Saved by God’s grace through your faith not by [good] works, i.e., the good things you do don’t make you saved. God’s grace is not from ourselves, but faith is. Throughout scripture, we are told to have faith and keep our faith.

Ephesians 2
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
I never said works save. Just the opposite in fact.
 

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It’s a matter of when you receive the irrevocable gift of eternal life and when you are in God’s hand. You don’t have eternal life right now and neither do I. We have the conditional promise of eternal life in the age to come. If we remain faithful until the end we’ll get our gift.

Matthew 19
29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

Luke 18
29“Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”

John 5
28Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice 29and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

Romans 2
7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

James 1
12Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.
I have eternal life right now. I'm not immortal in flesh, just as Jesus taught and examples, I'm an immortal soul right now.
 

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he swears up and down that he was saved and was studying to become a minister. Should take his world for it i think
Why should anyone trust an athe
Interesting. Your interpretation is right if salvation is by works...if YOU hold fast. If it is by grace, YOU holding fast is evidence of the work of God that cannot fail.
Works depends on us keeping ourselves. Grace depends on God keeping us.
True.
  1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
  2. 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
  3. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
  4. 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

The subject is the gospel that he reminds them of. Verse 3 is the "for" clause which can also be understood "because...." then explained on what basis they are saved...."unless ye have believed in vain.".
What is believing in vain? Believing in that which cannot save, anything besides the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Since he addressed the most carnal church in any of the epistles, he never told them that they were going to hell for their disobedience. He warns of discipline, even to the point of physical death as a possibility, but never hell. He declares the gospel as the basis of their salvation rather than obedience to the law as restated in the book of Galatians.
 

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yes and no :)
 
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Why should anyone trust an athe

True.
  1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
  2. 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
  3. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
  4. 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

The subject is the gospel that he reminds them of. Verse 3 is the "for" clause which can also be understood "because...." then explained on what basis they are saved...."unless ye have believed in vain.".
What is believing in vain? Believing in that which cannot save, anything besides the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Since he addressed the most carnal church in any of the epistles, he never told them that they were going to hell for their disobedience. He warns of discipline, even to the point of physical death as a possibility, but never hell. He declares the gospel as the basis of their salvation rather than obedience to the law as restated in the book of Galatians.
I agree up until a point, but the subject being the true gospel is what needs to be firmly held to, otherwise belief was in vain. Paul is referring to apostasy from the true gospel resulting in a loss of salvation.
 

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I agree up until a point, but the subject being the true gospel is what needs to be firmly held to, otherwise belief was in vain. Paul is referring to apostasy from the true gospel resulting in a loss of salvation.
He is making an argument for the resurrection of Christ and of believers up until verse 18 and thereafter. In verse 12 he is addressing those who apostatized or were in the assembly as unbelievers, but I see nowhere where they lost their salvation.

I Corinthians 15
 
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He is making an argument for the resurrection of Christ and of believers up until verse 18 and thereafter. In verse 12 he is addressing those who apostatized or were in the assembly as unbelievers, but I see nowhere where they lost their salvation.

I Corinthians 15
Belief in the gospel is a prerequisite to salvation. Holding firmly to that belief is what Paul said is required. If belief in the gospel is not held to firmly then it’s a vain, useless, belief. Losing a firm grip on this belief in the gospel means the belief in the gospel has been lost and, therefore, the belief Paul said is required to be saved is no longer present in that individual. That is a loss of salvation.
 

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Belief in the gospel is a prerequisite to salvation. Holding firmly to that belief is what Paul said is required. If belief in the gospel is not held to firmly then it’s a vain, useless, belief. Losing a firm grip on this belief in the gospel means the belief in the gospel has been lost and, therefore, the belief Paul said is required to be saved is no longer present in that individual. That is a loss of salvation.
Who is responsible for maintaining the belief?
 

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Who is responsible for maintaining the belief?
I John 5:11-13

"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

That eternal life was the gift given at the minute the person decided to believe on the Son of God. I wish more would realize that He gave us that life, as recorded, and it's everlasting, not probationary or based on conditions of will power, obedience or faith like Elijah.
It was given, past tense.
It lasts forever.
 

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Were they? You may have good reason(s) to believe they were, but couldn't they have been 2 people who were caught up in the movement and were assumed to be genuine? Indeed, they may have BEEN, but were ensnared in sin.
In any case, what light does this shed on salvation?! Some believers in the the Bible have been punished by death, but seemingly did not lose their salvation.
Matthew 24:45- 51

“Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food [i]in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying [j]his coming,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



so yes one can loose salvation

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Franc254

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Only GOD can judge whether they went to heaven or hell

luke 12:35-41

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“Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; 36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. 38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would [g]have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”

41 Then Peter said to Him, “Lord, do You speak this parable only to us, or to all people?

42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food [h]in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers"



so an unfaithful christian will be given a portion with the unbelievers....lets not get comfortable
 
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I don’t think that says the soul is immortal. I think it’s basically saying that in peoples’ thoughts and feelings they desire eternity. So there really isn’t a verse that plainly says the human soul is immortal apart from God giving the gift of immortality.

So immortality is conditional based on the gospel.

2 Timothy 1
10but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.