Eden or Heaven?

[RizenPhoenix]

John 1:1

What is your point, Romans 8:5. Yeshua/Jesus/Yeshivah may have been one of the gods, but he was not the Almighty God, YHWH. Satan is a god (2 Corinthians 4:4 and he is called the "Ruler of this World" Ephesians 2:2). In Psalms 82:1 there is a Council of gods that are making decisions and working for God in the Earth. However, like Satan they were not doing what they were told to do. So, that is a moot point since there are so many gods or powerful spirit creatures that are called gods. If that isn't clear enough Beyonce is a goddess, Taylor Swift is a goddess, Billy Graham, Donald Trump are all gods, and may I add very much worshipped by humans. However, there is only ONE true God, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, Yehovah, Yahova and he is not to mocked.

 

[RizenPhoenix]

1 Corinthians 1:27-29

I find it to be quite distracting from the subject matter and overbearing. The subject is Eden or Heaven and how does her PICTURES support the subject. It looks like someone living in a Fairy Land. I love color and art as well, I am an artist, but it is all to big and not addressing the subject matter at hand. How are you using 1 Corinthians 1:27-19 get to the point. Sorry, but I am direct and clear in my communication. It will arrest your attention!

 

[Magenta]

The Earth will never be gone

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. <= Jesus' words in Matthew 24:35

Therefore, they would have lived forever.

He alone is immortal (the blessed and only Sovereign One—the King of kings and Lord of lords) and dwells in unapproachable light.

Adam and Eve would have had to have eaten from the Tree of Life... which they did not.

 

[Magenta]

How are you using 1 Corinthians 1:27-19 get to the point.

Perhaps if you were following the conversation you would understand.

 

[Magenta]

What is your point, Romans 8:5. Yeshua/Jesus/Yeshivah may have been one of the gods, but he was not the Almighty God, YHWH. Satan is a god (2 Corinthians 4:4 and he is called the "Ruler of this World" Ephesians 2:2). In Psalms 82:1 there is a Council of gods that are making decisions and working for God in the Earth. However, like Satan they were not doing what they were told to do. So, that is a moot point since there are so many gods or powerful spirit creatures that are called gods. If that isn't clear enough Beyonce is a goddess, Taylor Swift is a goddess, Billy Graham, Donald Trump are all gods, and may I add very much worshipped by humans. However, there is only ONE true God, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, Yehovah, Yahova and he is not to mocked.

You disagree with Scripture. The Word was God, became flesh, and made His dwelling among us.

Which you deny. Do you know what else Scripture says? In the words of Jesus:

Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

What is your point, Romans 8:5. Yeshua/Jesus/Yeshivah may have been one of the gods, but he was not the Almighty God, YHWH. Satan is a god (2 Corinthians 4:4 and he is called the "Ruler of this World" Ephesians 2:2). In Psalms 82:1 there is a Council of gods that are making decisions and working for God in the Earth. However, like Satan they were not doing what they were told to do. So, that is a moot point since there are so many gods or powerful spirit creatures that are called gods. If that isn't clear enough Beyonce is a goddess, Taylor Swift is a goddess, Billy Graham, Donald Trump are all gods, and may I add very much worshipped by humans. However, there is only ONE true God, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, Yehovah, Yahova and he is not to mocked.

Exodus 3 the preincarnate Jesus claimed to be Elohim and I AM, but in chapter 6 claims to be YHWH in Verse 3.

You really have no idea what you are saying!!

 

[tourist]

I wonder if we will explore outer space?

Me too.

 

[RizenPhoenix]

Exodus 3 the preincarnate Jesus claimed to be Elohim and I AM, but in chapter 6 claims to be YHWH in Verse 3.

You really have no idea what you are saying!!

First of all Jesus was not a "preincarnate". Yeshua/Jesus was an angel in Heaven before YHWH transferred him into the womb of Mary. In Exodus that is strictly YHWY talking who is THE Almighty God. There are so many scriptures to support it Proverbs 8:30, Colossians 1:15-16, John 17:5. "The firstborn of all creation, meaning he was made before anything else. You really have no idea what you are saying because you have not read any of the ancient text or the Bible.

 

[RizenPhoenix]

You disagree with Scripture. The Word was God, became flesh, and made His dwelling among us.

Which you deny. Do you know what else Scripture says? In the words of Jesus:

Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.

The Word was "a god" I agreed that he has been called that Isaiah 9:6. But, YHWH is called the Almighty God (Revelation 1:8) which is distinctive to only YHWH. 1 John 2:22-23 speaks of both entities, I repeat two! People who do not read the Bible have no clue that these two are two complete separate Spirit Entities. But, if you read 1 Corinthians 15:28 It clearly tells you that after Yeshua/Jesus finishes his work of restoring humans to God and destroying Satan and the Demons he will turn all business back over to his FATHER. Read, Read Read...

 

[Magenta]

The Word was "a god"

That's a JW addition, since the word "a" is not in any original texts.

 

[Magenta]

I agreed that he has been called that Isaiah 9:6. But, YHWH is called the Almighty God

Jesus is called mighty God in Isaiah 9:6 also. As well as everlasting Father.

Isaiah 9:6
Do you think Jesus was trying to mislead people when He asked the Father, "glorify me in your presence
with the glory I had with you before the world began."??? God shares His glory with nobody. See Isaiah 42:8

 

[RizenPhoenix]

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. <= Jesus' words in Matthew 24:35


He alone is immortal (the blessed and only Sovereign One—the King of kings and Lord of lords) and dwells in unapproachable light.

Adam and Eve would have had to have eaten from the Tree of Life... which they did not.

Immortality is different than someone who will live forever. The difference is if you are "immortal" you cannot be destroyed opposed to live forever, if you step out of line or obedience to usurp the Kingdom once it has been restored you will disappear or be destroyed. Jesus and the Apostles or the group of anointed one are all immortals now, unlike the other angels. That is really getting into the deeper teachings which I will not go into again.

 

[Magenta]

Immortality is different than someone who will live forever. The difference is if you are "immortal" you cannot be destroyed opposed to live forever, if you step out of line or obedience to usurp the Kingdom once it has been restored you will disappear or be destroyed. Jesus and the Apostles or the group of anointed one are all immortals now, unlike the other angels. That is really getting into the deeper teachings which I will not go into again.

There is no such teaching in the Bible. Whatever faux teachings you refer to are deceptions to which you have fallen prey.

 

[Magenta]

First of all Jesus was not a "preincarnate".

“Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!” John 8:58

Jesus Himself explicitly taught His own pre-existence (John 3:13; 6:33, 38, 62; 8:23; 16:28).

 

[RizenPhoenix]

That's a JW addition, since the word "a" is not in any original texts.

Do your research, those who have, knows the article existed until they corrected it. You can start with the link I included. The JW addition has nothing to do with ancient history and who translated the Bible at John 1:1. Even if, the Bible clearly states that the two are not 1. That is the Trinitarian teachings from the Council of Nicaea and Laodicea. Jesus even tell you people who are stuck in the Trinity that "The Father is greater than I am" showing subordination, JOHN 14:28. HE STATES HE IS "GOING TO THE FATHER"... "Let him that has ears listen to what the spirit says to the congregation". REVELATION 3:22 Take off your blinders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1

 

[Magenta]

Do your research, those who have, knows the article existed until they corrected it.

The word does not even exist in Greek. You lie.

 

[RizenPhoenix]

That's a JW addition, since the word "a" is not in any original texts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1
So, whether the predicate (theos) is definite, indefinite or qualitative depends on the context. Consequently, this article raises the concern that uncertainty with respect to the grammar may result in translations based on the theology of the translator. The commonly held theology that Jesus is God naturally leads to a corresponding translation. But a theology in which Jesus is subordinate to God leads to the conclusion that "... a god" or "... divine" is the proper rendering.

 

[Magenta]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1
So, whether the predicate (theos) is definite, indefinite or qualitative depends on the context. Consequently, this article raises
the concern that uncertainty with respect to the grammar may result in translations based on the theology of the translator.

JWs certainly deny the Deity of Christ, as do you. It is not something any Christian should be uncertain of.

In the words of Jesus: Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.

PS~ denying the Deity of Jesus Christ is a bannable theological offense. <= FYI

 

[RizenPhoenix]

JWs certainly deny the Deity of Christ, as do you. It is not something any Christian should be uncertain of.

In the words of Jesus: Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.

PS~ denying the Deity of Jesus Christ is a bannable theological offense. <= FYI

It's obvious you want to bring a religion into this discussion to justify your denial. I am not speaking from any religion. I have been reading the Bible cover to cover for over 30 years, the apocrypha, War Scrolls, the Talmud and other ancient text. I have also quoted many scriptures for you that have nothing to do with a religion. Jesus said he is the SON OF GOD, SON SON SON! Can you be the Father if you are the Son?! Satan is the source of confusion. God has never come to the earth or died 1 Kings 8:27. Do not address religion with me again. Religion is irrelevant to scripture, stop trying to find a way out of the TRUTH.

 

[Magenta]

It's obvious you want to bring a religion into this discussion to justify your denial. I am not speaking from any religion. I have been reading the Bible cover to coverfor over 30 years, the apocrypha, War Scrolls, the Talmud and other ancient text. I have also quoted many scriptures for you that have nothing to do with a religion. Jesus said he is the SON OF GOD, SON SON SON! Can you be the Father if you arethe Son?! Satan is the source of confusion. God has never come to the earth or died 1 Kings 8:27. Do not address religion with me again. Religion is irrelevant to scripture, stop trying to find a way out of the TRUTH.

It is obvious that in order to favor your religion, you deny the Scriptures I and others have posted.

You won't last long if you persist in pushing your heresy. I'll say adieu to you now...