Can a Christian lose salvation?

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Locoponydirtman

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I dont knownthe answer to the tie question. What I do know is that there are people who at one time in their lives professed Christ and now have renounced Christ. The Bible warns that such is the case.
 

Cameron143

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I dont knownthe answer to the tie question. What I do know is that there are people who at one time in their lives professed Christ and now have renounced Christ. The Bible warns that such is the case.
Tie always goes to the runner.
 

brighthouse98

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Dear sister Magenta Ah sister please read (Acts 1:16-17) verse 17 for he was counted among us. Now if you mean were any of the Apostles saved before the death of Jesus you would be correct because in the end all lost their faith!! (Matt 26:56) In fact Peter went back to fishing!!! LOL (John 21:2-11) the difference was that Judas Betrayed!!!(Mark 14:21)
 

Papermonkey

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Dear sister Magenta Ah sister please read (Acts 1:16-17) verse 17 for he was counted among us. Now if you mean were any of the Apostles saved before the death of Jesus you would be correct because in the end all lost their faith!! (Matt 26:56) In fact Peter went back to fishing!!! LOL (John 21:2-11) the difference was that Judas Betrayed!!!(Mark 14:21)
Was it betrayal? When Jesus told Judas to hurry and do what he must?

It is said Satan had entered Judas just before that.
I think that is a conclusion after the fact.Not a fact. Otherwise it would be Satan who then obeyed Jesus command. And this then defeated Satan and his power over death. Because how would Jesus have come to the cross otherwise?
 

brighthouse98

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Matt 26:14-16 Papermonkey, Satan actually entered Judas twice!!! (Luke 22:3 and John 13:27) two different events! So, if we believe the Bible the scriptures make it very clear that Judas did indeed betray.
 

TMS

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Is God a forceful God? That makes us stay saved against our will?

Satan was the closest to God and perfect in every way. God did not force him to stay faithful, and remain saved.

There are many examples of people that have sinned after they gave their heart to God.

Noah, Abraham, Moses, David.
Me....

God doesn't force us to be faithful.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Is God a forceful God? That makes us stay saved against our will?

Satan was the closest to God and perfect in every way. God did not force him to stay faithful, and remain saved.

There are many examples of people that have sinned after they gave their heart to God.

Noah, Abraham, Moses, David.
Me....

God doesn't force us to be faithful.

When the child of God commits a sin, he separates himself from his fellowship with God, temporary, until he repents. He does not lose his eternal inheritance, and the indwelling Holy Spirit never leaves him.
 

TMS

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There are different beliefs on what salvation constitutes..
A saving relationship can change.

People can choose to walk different paths.

Faith and repentance are the conditions to the gift that Jesus wants to give.
 

TMS

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When the child of God commits a sin, he separates himself from his fellowship with God, temporary, until he repents. He does not lose his eternal inheritance, and the indwelling Holy Spirit never leaves him.
God doesn't leave us but we can choose to leave Him.

Adam and Eve were seperated from God by sin.
We are seperated from God by sin.
God loves the sinner but hates sin.
The heart is hardened by sin and God never stops trying to save us but if we refuse to hear, and feel the Holy Spirit talking to us God does not force us.
 

Papermonkey

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Matt 26:14-16 Papermonkey, Satan actually entered Judas twice!!! (Luke 22:3 and John 13:27) two different events! So, if we believe the Bible the scriptures make it very clear that Judas did indeed betray.
I disagree with their narrative.
Satan conspired with the Father to test Job's faith in a wager in the Old Testament.

If Satan was responsible for Judas actions in turning Jesus over to the Sanhedrin, then it was Satan again serving God's will. And Judas being possessed was not responsible. Which can be why when he realized what happened to Jesus due to Satan is why he hanged himself. Because he was a tool used by Satan to fulfill Jesus purpose on Earth, though that may not have crossed Judas' mind at the time.

Also, the Disciples were servants, students, of Jesus.
How does the enemy enter in without his knowledge?
In this case, if we believe Judas was possessed, he doesn't.
Which would make sense then as to why Jesus commanded Satan to quickly do what he must do.

Just my 2 cents.
There is nothing that happens in God's creation that he does not know or control.
 

Papermonkey

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God doesn't leave us but we can choose to leave Him.

Adam and Eve were seperated from God by sin.
We are seperated from God by sin.
God loves the sinner but hates sin.
The heart is hardened by sin and God never stops trying to save us but if we refuse to hear, and feel the Holy Spirit talking to us God does not force us.
Of all that the Father gives Jesus, Jesus shall lose none. No one can take us from his hand.

We are saved by God's grace. Not of ourselves so that none may boast.
 

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he swears up and down that he was saved and was studying to become a minister. Should take his world for it i think

But that is my point. Jesus said that their will be many people that will make that claim. What did Jesus say to them? He said, "depart from me, I never knew you."
 

brighthouse98

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Very interesting concept Papermonkey! God controls everything you say. If God chooses evil and as you say controls it, then God is imperfect. Satan and God are not the same person called by another name. Which it seems you believe, which if you could prove would change the world!
 

TMS

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Of all that the Father gives Jesus, Jesus shall lose none. No one can take us from his hand.

We are saved by God's grace. Not of ourselves so that none may boast.
Jesus does everything right...
God is Good.
But Does God hold us like a captive with no say.

If we choose to seperate ourself from God we can.

God does everything except force.
No one can take us from Gods hands but we can choose to leave.

Free choice. Love must be by free choice or it just isn't love.
 

gb9

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as much as we disagree on other things, i agree with you on this.

freely we choose to accept Christ, we can also freely choose to reject Him.
 

Papermonkey

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Jesus does everything right...
God is Good.
But Does God hold us like a captive with no say.

If we choose to seperate ourself from God we can.

God does everything except force.
No one can take us from Gods hands but we can choose to leave.

Free choice. Love must be by free choice or it just isn't love.
Please show me those verses that support your post. Including those that detail how God takes back everything that occurred to make us born again.