Do you observe the Sabbath?

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I,ve never said we can attain salvation by earning it and keeping the law will not save us.
But i know many people that choose to not commit adultery and not kill and not lie because they love their fellow neighbour and because they love God.

How do we determine what God wants us to obey and what God has made void.

Circumcision is no longer required, Paul makes that clear. we are not not living in a world free from laws and commandments.
Sin is the transgression of the law. Sin is present in the world today so a law is present.

We are freed by the grace of Jesus through faith but that does not mean the law is gone.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
 

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Many thousands of Christians today sincerely believe that the Ten Commandments constituted the Old Covenant, which disappeared at the cross and, therefore, has no present application to grace-saved Christians.
Is it a true premise?
If so, we certainly need to be clearly apprised of the doctrine in order to avoid the pitfall of deadly legalism. On the other hand, if the Ten Commandments are still binding, it would be the most tragic mistake to discount even one of those great moral precepts.
 

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The old covenant is not the Ten Commandments.... (Heb 8)
Notice that the Old Covenant had some poor promises in it. The New Covenant, we are told, "was established upon better promises." Verse 6. Tell me, has anyone ever been able to point out any poor promises in the Ten Commandments? Never. On the contrary, Paul declares that they were very good. "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth." Ephesians 6:1-3.

The second thing wrong with the Old Covenant was that it was faulty. The Bible says, "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." Hebrews 8:7. Has any man ever been able to find a fault or a flaw in the handwriting of God? The psalmist declared, "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul." Psalm 19:7. Paul wrote, "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:12.

Does that sound like something weak and imperfect? No law could be perfect and faulty at the same time. It becomes more and more apparent that the Old Covenant could not have been the Ten Commandments.

We also read that it was to be abolished! "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13. Now we can ask a serious question that should settle every doubt on this matter. Did the great moral law of Ten Commandments vanish away? Anyone who has read the New Testament must answer, Absolutely not. Paul affirms the exact opposite about the law. He asked, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31.

Does the Bible contradict itself? Can something vanish away and be established at the same time? Did the same writer say opposite things about the same law? Just to be certain that Paul was not saying that the Old Covenant was the law, let us insert the words "Old Covenant" instead of the word "law" into Romans 3:31. "Do we than make void the Old Covenant through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the Old Covenant."

That doesn't sound right at all, does it? We know that the Old Covenant had vanished away and could never be spoken of in this way. Very clearly, then, we can see that the covenant which came to an end could not have been the Ten Commandments.
 

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Many people have failed to see that there was more than one covenant involved at Mt. Sinai. God called Moses up into the mountain before He gave the law and proposed a covenant between Him and His people: "And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel; ... if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me ... an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Exodus 19:3-6.

Notice how God asked Moses to present His offer to the people. Here are all the elements of a true covenant. Conditions and promises are laid down for both sides. If the children of Israel accept God's proposal, a covenant will be established. How did they respond to the divine offer? "And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him. And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord." Exodus 19:7, 8.

Just as soon as that answer went back to God, the basis for the Old Covenant was set up. But before it could go into formal operation there had to be a sealing or ratifying of the pact. This ritualistic service involved the sprinkling of the blood of an ox on the people and is described in Exodus 24:4-8:

Again we are reminded that this covenant was not the law itself but was made "concerning all these words." The Ten Commandments were the basis for the agreement. The people promised to keep that law, and God promised to bless them in return. The crucial weakness in the whole arrangement revolved around the way Israel promised. There was no suggestion that they could not fully conform to every requirement of God. Neither was there any application for divine assistance. "We can do it," they insisted. Here is a perfect example of leaning on the flesh and trusting human strength. The words are filled with self-confidence. "All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient."

Were they able to keep that promise? In spite of their repeated assurances, they miserably broke their word before Moses could even get off the mountain with the tables of stone. Do we begin to see where the poor promises lay in the Old Covenant?

The book of Hebrews begins to unfold. There God is reported as "finding fault with them." Hebrews 8:8. He said, "Because they continued not in my covenant ... I regarded them not." Verse 9. The blame is placed squarely upon the human side of the mutual pact. Thus, we can see exactly why Paul wrote as he did about this Old Covenant in Hebrews 8. It did gender to bondage, it proved faulty, had poor promises, and vanished away - all because the people failed to obey their part of the agreement. Putting all these things together we can see why a new covenant was desperately needed, which would have better promises.

How were the New Covenant promises better? Because God made them, and they guaranteed successful obedience through His strength alone. "I will put my laws into their mind ... I will be to them a God ... I will be merciful to their unrighteousness and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." Hebrews 8:10-12.

How was the New Covenant ratified? In the same manner that the Old was confirmed - by the shedding of blood. But instead of an ox having to shed its blood, the sinless Son of God would provide the blood of sprinkling: "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well-pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ." Hebrews 13:20, 21.

What a contrast to the weak promises of the flesh made by Israel at Sinai. Instead of the people's "we will do," God's New Covenant promise is to "make you perfect in every good work ... working in you." It is no longer human effort. It is not so much you working, but Him "working in you." And how is this power made available? "Through the blood of the everlasting covenant." Because of what Jesus did on the cross.
 

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Obedience is made possible by the writing of God's law on the heart. Through spiritual regeneration the mind and heart are transformed. Christ actually enters into the life of the believer and imparts His own strength for obedience. By partaking of the divine nature, the weakest human being begins to live the very life of Jesus Christ, manifesting His victory, and crucifying the flesh.

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Romans 8:3, 4.

The word for righteousness is "dikaima," meaning "just requirement" of the law. In other words, because of Jesus' sinless life in the flesh, the requirement of the law can be fulfilled in us. He overcame sin in the same kind of body we have, so that He could impart that victory to us. He will actually live out His own holy life of separation from sin in our earthly bodies if we will permit Him to do so. This is the New Covenant promise for every believing, trusting child of God. And it is absolutely the only way that anyone can meet the requirements of the law: "Christ in you, the hope of glory." Colossians 1:27. "The life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20.

It is most important for us to understand that the New Covenant law written on the heart is exactly the same law that was graven on the stone. Those great spiritual principles reflect the very character of God, and form the basis for His government. The difference is not in the law but in the ministration of the law. Written only upon the tables of stone, they can only condemn and minister death, "because the carnal mind ... is not subject to the law of God." Romans 8:7. Received into the heart which has been spiritualized by the converting grace of Christ, the same law becomes a delight. John declared, "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3. Not only is the law not grievous for the Spirit-filled child of God, but obedience becomes a joyful possibility. The psalmist wrote, "I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." Psalms 40:8.
 

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Just curious if anyone observes the Sabbath. It seems like some people do and some people don’t, citing a variety of reasons.

Are there any clear commands to observe a Sabbath rest on the seventh day of the week? Which verses? I ask because I see there are clear commands to observe some of the 10 commandments, but I can’t find anything about Jesus or one of the apostles commanding anyone to keep the Sabbath.

Personally I don’t observe Sabbath day of rest as of right now, but I’ve considered it and I’m not opposed to it.

Also, if you keep the Sabbath, what do you do and don’t do on your Sabbath day of rest?
Hello Runningman, how are you all? good questions, yes we are Sabbath keepers as to what the Lord and of what the Apostles said and did.

People also ask



Did God make the Sabbath for man?


The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath” (Mark 2:27). These words of the Savior remind us that the Sabbath day was meant to be a blessing rather than a burden to those who observe it.

Luke 4:16, Colossians 2:16,

Walter
 

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It is said Christianity is a religion about Jesus. While Judaism was the religion of Jesus.
Sabbath is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.
Yes, I observe the Sabbath God made for us. 😔🙏Thank you Father.
 

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Hello Runningman, how are you all? good questions, yes we are Sabbath keepers as to what the Lord and of what the Apostles said and did.

People also ask



Did God make the Sabbath for man?


The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath” (Mark 2:27). These words of the Savior remind us that the Sabbath day was meant to be a blessing rather than a burden to those who observe it.

Luke 4:16, Colossians 2:16,

Walter
the Lord and the Apostles and the people He said this to were all jews , born under the Law.

gentiles never had the Law and were under it.

no Sabbath required for salvation through faith in Christ.
 

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the Lord and the Apostles and the people He said this to were all jews , born under the Law.

gentiles never had the Law and were under it.

no Sabbath required for salvation through faith in Christ.
Yes, and we have Colossians 2 on that.

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."


Did you know that the Seventh Day Adventist will judge us on this and tell us that worshipping God on a day other than Saturday Day is actually worshipping the devil and taking the Mark of the Beast?
 

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Beware of seeing too many shadows, many do.
I look to the Substance, Who is Christ.
The Adventists that have judged us were adding faith in the shadows, like keeping the Sabbath as many others. That's been my experience with my local SDA neighbors.
On the other hand, I make a clear distinction between the law and grace, as in faith in the Savior without works.
 
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I keep the Sabbath and am so thankful for it... it often includes Bible study and prayer as a family, and a day off from regular work. I also love to get together and fellowship with friends too if possible.
 

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the Lord and the Apostles and the people He said this to were all jews , born under the Law.

gentiles never had the Law and were under it.

no Sabbath required for salvation through faith in Christ.
God made the Sabbath for us.
Many unfortunately misunderstand Christians Sabbath observance.
It isn't about Salvation. It is about Sanctification.
 

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Just curious if anyone observes the Sabbath. It seems like some people do and some people don’t, citing a variety of reasons.

Are there any clear commands to observe a Sabbath rest on the seventh day of the week? Which verses? I ask because I see there are clear commands to observe some of the 10 commandments, but I can’t find anything about Jesus or one of the apostles commanding anyone to keep the Sabbath.

Personally I don’t observe Sabbath day of rest as of right now, but I’ve considered it and I’m not opposed to it.

Also, if you keep the Sabbath, what do you do and don’t do on your Sabbath day of rest?
Sabbath is a day of rest for us. It is also a day which is holy because God gave us a commandment to keep it Holy.

It's a day to dedicate to God and reflect on our personal relationship with God.

Going for Sunday service and worship is one thing. But to seek God on the Sabbath is something else.

Jesus said,"My father is always working and so do I." John Chapter 5 verse 17 when He was questioned about healing on the Sabbath.

So, in that way, God did permit us to go about our duties on Sunday. Still, God chose that day of all days to be considered Holy. So it is to be kept that way.
 

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I keep the Sabbath and am so thankful for it... it often includes Bible study and prayer as a family, and a day off from regular work. I also love to get together and fellowship with friends too if possible.
As a child, some weeks i didn't want to keep the sabbath. My selfish flesh wanted it's way.
But as I've come to know my saviour and Lord, I've come to look forward to the Sabbath.

When you love someone it is a joy to spend time with them.

Love is the centre of the law, and i thank God for the gift of the Sabbath.

I like to spend time in nature and the scriptures on the sabbath. And fellowship with other worshipers.
 

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the Lord and the Apostles and the people He said this to were all jews , born under the Law.

gentiles never had the Law and were under it.

no Sabbath required for salvation through faith in Christ.
Lets not judge..
Only God can judge the heart and salvation is a gift we can not earn and don't deserve.

We were told.....
Mat 19:16-17
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 

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To those that claim the law ended at the death of Jesus.

Why did Jesus rest on Sabbath in the Grave after salvation was paid for?
 

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I look to the Substance, Who is Christ.
The Adventists that have judged us were adding faith in the shadows, like keeping the Sabbath as many others. That's been my experience with my local SDA neighbors.
On the other hand, I make a clear distinction between the law and grace, as in faith in the Savior without works.
It isn't our works, it is all about Christ and what He did to save us. But do we make void the law? Do we continue in sin applying grace constantly.

The sabbath was made holy before sin. It was not made as a shadow law pointing to the salvation ahead. It was made as a gift to honor the Creator and spend time with Him.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Sanctified = to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate, to be set apart.
 

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God made the Sabbath for us.
Many unfortunately misunderstand Christians Sabbath observance.
It isn't about Salvation. It is about Sanctification.
I've tried to talk about the difference between justification and sanctification but many don't want to go beyond just believing in Grace.
James 2..

Believing is not enough.
Even the demons believe...
Jesus can transform us if we allow Him to.
 

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It isn't our works, it is all about Christ and what He did to save us. But do we make void the law? Do we continue in sin applying grace constantly.

The sabbath was made holy before sin. It was not made as a shadow law pointing to the salvation ahead. It was made as a gift to honor the Creator and spend time with Him.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Sanctified = to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate, to be set apart.
The day of rest was certainly to be a blessing of rest by that example. When it was given as a law through Moses, it also became a schoolmaster to point us to Christ, as the law in general. Certainly nobody truly kept it as commanded. It is fortunate that where sin abounds, grace much more abounds.