Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

[kinda]

If you want to believe them, you can, but our reasons are more logical than you want to accept. NASA has demonstrably engaged in fraud. Therefore, it is not a reliable witness to base any claims on.

At the risk of upsetting Gary, I post below something for how day/night might work on a flat Earth. This is not a real model, but it demonstrates how light can be diverted by something as simple as a transparent (glass?) dome. I can't post a link to the video, as it requires a login.

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There goes the ice wall!!!

 

[RaceRunner]

God separated dark from light, day from night. Stationary flat earth models don't account for that.

Sunrises, sunsets, day/night, monthly & annual cycles. No flat earth zealot has ever managed to produce one creation model.
They make illustrations for one component at a time but have no complete model.

FE is not Biblical.

If Earth were a spinning ball heated by a Sun 93 million miles away, it would be impossible to have simultaneously sweltering summers in Africa while just a few thousand miles away bone-chilling frozen Arctic/Antarctic winters experiencing little to no heat from the Sun whatsoever. If the heat from the Sun traveled 93,000,000 miles to the Sahara desert, it is absurd to assert that another 4,000 miles (0.00004%) further to Antarctica would completely negate such sweltering heat resulting in such drastic differences.

 

[RaceRunner]

God separated dark from light, day from night. Stationary flat earth models don't account for that.

Sunrises, sunsets, day/night, monthly & annual cycles. No flat earth zealot has ever managed to produce one creation model.
They make illustrations for one component at a time but have no complete model.

FE is not Biblical.

If the Earth were truly a globe, the Arctic and Antarctic polar regions and areas of comparable latitude North and South of the equator should share similar conditions and characteristics such as comparable temperatures, seasonal changes, length of daylight, plant and animal life. In reality, however, the Arctic/Antarctic regions and areas of comparable latitude North/South of the equator differ greatly in many ways entirely inconsistent with the ball model and entirely consistent with the flat model.

 

[RaceRunner]

God separated dark from light, day from night. Stationary flat earth models don't account for that.

Sunrises, sunsets, day/night, monthly & annual cycles. No flat earth zealot has ever managed to produce one creation model.
They make illustrations for one component at a time but have no complete model.

FE is not Biblical.

Antarctica is by far the coldest place on Earth with an average annual temperature of approximately -57 degrees Fahrenheit, and a record low of -135.8! The average annual temperature at the North Pole, however, is a comparatively warm 4 degrees. Throughout the year, temperatures in the Antarctic vary less than half the amount at comparable Arctic latitudes. The Northern Arctic region enjoys moderately warm summers and manageable winters, whereas the Southern Antarctic region never even warms enough to melt the perpetual snow and ice. On a tilting, wobbling, ball-Earth spinning uniformly around the Sun, Arctic and Antarctic temperatures and seasons should not vary so greatly.

 

[RaceRunner]

God separated dark from light, day from night. Stationary flat earth models don't account for that.

Sunrises, sunsets, day/night, monthly & annual cycles. No flat earth zealot has ever managed to produce one creation model.
They make illustrations for one component at a time but have no complete model.

FE is not Biblical.

Iceland at 65 degrees North latitude is home to 870 species of native plants and abundant various animal life. Compare this with the Isle of Georgia at just 54 degrees South latitude where there are only 18 species of native plants and animal life is almost non-existent. The same latitude as Canada or England in the North where dense forests of various tall trees abound, the infamous Captain Cook wrote of Georgia that he was unable to find a single shrub large enough to make a toothpick! Cook wrote, “Not a tree was to be seen. The lands which lie to the south are doomed by nature to perpetual frigidness - never to feel the warmth of the sun’s rays; whose horrible and savage aspect I have not words to describe. Even marine life is sparse in certain tracts of vast extent, and the sea-bird is seldom observed flying over such lonely wastes. The contrasts between the limits of organic life in Arctic and Antarctic zones is very remarkable and significant.”

 

[RaceRunner]

God separated dark from light, day from night. Stationary flat earth models don't account for that.

Sunrises, sunsets, day/night, monthly & annual cycles. No flat earth zealot has ever managed to produce one creation model.
They make illustrations for one component at a time but have no complete model.

FE is not Biblical.

At places of comparable latitude North and South, the Sun behaves very differently than it would on a spinning ball Earth but precisely how it should on a flat Earth. For example, the longest summer days North of the equator are much longer than those South of the equator, and the shortest winter days North of the equator are much shorter than the shortest South of the equator. This is inexplicable on a uniformly spinning, wobbling ball Earth but fits exactly on the flat model with the Sun traveling circles over and around the Earth from Tropic to Tropic.

 

[RaceRunner]

God separated dark from light, day from night. Stationary flat earth models don't account for that.

Sunrises, sunsets, day/night, monthly & annual cycles. No flat earth zealot has ever managed to produce one creation model.
They make illustrations for one component at a time but have no complete model.

FE is not Biblical.

At places of comparable latitude North and South, dawn and dusk happen very differently than they would on a spinning ball, but precisely how they should on a flat Earth. In the North dawn and dusk come slowly and last far longer than in the South where they come and go very quickly. Certain places in the North twilight can last for over an hour while at comparable Southern latitudes within a few minutes the sunlight completely disappears. This is inexplicable on a uniformly spinning, wobbling ball Earth but is exactly what is expected on a flat Earth with the Sun traveling faster, wider circles over the South and slower, narrower circles over the North.

 

[RaceRunner]

God separated dark from light, day from night. Stationary flat earth models don't account for that.

Sunrises, sunsets, day/night, monthly & annual cycles. No flat earth zealot has ever managed to produce one creation model.
They make illustrations for one component at a time but have no complete model.

FE is not Biblical.

If the Sun circles over and around the Earth every 24 hours, steadily travelling from Tropic to Tropic every 6 months, it follows that the Northern, central region would annually receive far more heat and sunlight than the Southern circumferential region. Since the Sun must sweep over the larger Southern region in the same 24 hours it has to pass over the smaller Northern region, its passage must necessarily be proportionally faster as well. This perfectly explains the differences in Arctic/Antarctic temperatures, seasons, length of daylight, plant and animal life; this is why the Antarctic morning dawn and evening twilight are very abrupt compared with the North; and this explains why many midsummer Arctic nights the Sun does not set at all!

 

[RaceRunner]

God separated dark from light, day from night. Stationary flat earth models don't account for that.

Sunrises, sunsets, day/night, monthly & annual cycles. No flat earth zealot has ever managed to produce one creation model.
They make illustrations for one component at a time but have no complete model.

FE is not Biblical.

The “Midnight Sun” is an Arctic phenomenon occurring annually during the summer solstice where for several days straight an observer significantly far enough north can watch the Sun traveling circles over-head, rising and falling in the sky throughout the day, but never fully setting for upwards of 72+ hours! If the Earth were actually a spinning globe revolving around the Sun, the only place such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed would be at the poles. Any other vantage point from 89 degrees latitude downwards could never, regardless of any tilt or inclination, see the Sun for 24 hours straight. To see the Sun for an entire revolution on a spinning globe at a point other than the poles, you would have to be looking through miles and miles of land and sea for part of the revolution!

 

[RaceRunner]

God separated dark from light, day from night. Stationary flat earth models don't account for that.

Sunrises, sunsets, day/night, monthly & annual cycles. No flat earth zealot has ever managed to produce one creation model.
They make illustrations for one component at a time but have no complete model.

FE is not Biblical.

The establishment claims the Midnight Sun IS experienced in Antarctica but they conveniently do not have any uncut videos showing this, nor do they allow independent explorers to travel to Antarctica during the winter solstice to verify or refute these claims. Conversely, there are dozens of uncut videos publicly available showing the Arctic Midnight Sun and it has been verified beyond any shadow of a doubt.

 

[RaceRunner]

God separated dark from light, day from night. Stationary flat earth models don't account for that.

Sunrises, sunsets, day/night, monthly & annual cycles. No flat earth zealot has ever managed to produce one creation model.
They make illustrations for one component at a time but have no complete model.

FE is not Biblical.

The Royal Belgian Geographical Society in their “Expedition Antarctique Belge,” recorded that during the most severe part of the Antarctic winter, from 71 degrees South latitude onwards, the sun sets on May 17th and is not seen above the horizon again until July 21st! This is completely at odds with the ball-Earth theory, but easily explained by the flat-Earth model. The Midnight Sun is seen from high altitudes in extreme Northern latitudes during Arctic summer because the Sun, at its inner-most cycle, is circling tightly enough around the polar center that it remains visible above the horizon for someone at such a vantage point. Likewise, in extreme Southern latitudes during Arctic summer, the Sun completely disappears from view for over 2 months because there at the Northern Tropic, at the inner-most arc of its boomerang journey, the Sun is circling the Northern center too tightly to be seen from the Southern circumference.

 

[RaceRunner]

God separated dark from light, day from night. Stationary flat earth models don't account for that.

Sunrises, sunsets, day/night, monthly & annual cycles. No flat earth zealot has ever managed to produce one creation model.
They make illustrations for one component at a time but have no complete model.

FE is not Biblical.

Quoting Gabrielle Henriet, “The theory of the rotation of the earth may once and for all be definitely disposed of as impracticable by pointing out the following inadvertence. It is said that the rotation takes twenty-four hours and that its speed is uniform, in which case, necessarily, days and nights should have an identical duration of twelve hours each all the year round. The sun should invariably rise in the morning and set in the evening at the same hours, with the result that it would be the equinox every day from the 1st of January to the 31st of December. One should stop and reflect on this before saying that the earth has a movement of rotation. How does the system of gravitation account for the seasonal variations in the lengths of days and nights if the earth rotates at a uniform speed in twenty-four hours!?”

 

[Webers.Home]

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I was sent to an employee-relations class some years ago. They talked quite
a bit about something called core values. Simply put, these are premises,
principles, and precepts that define us, viz: core values are directly related
to our self image so it's no surprise that people take it personal and become
defensive when their opinions about certain things are questioned.

The word "repent" is common in the Bible --it basically means is to change
one's mind, i.e. to think differently about this and that.

Human nature resists repentance because the process requires folks to
reinvent themselves by first invalidating some of their long-held core values
and then adopting new ones in their place. Folks who resist repentance to
the death are sometimes called stiff-necked. (cf. Zech 7:11)

Anyway; point being: there are flat earthers and concave hollow earthers at
large that are in a bit of a pickle. The space age has shot their science to
shreds but they can't give it up without undergoing severe damage to the
way they view themselves, i.e. their self image.

So, when Christians encounter flat earthers and concave hollow earthers, I
highly recommend conducting themselves in accord with the instructions
given at 2Tim 2:24-26.

Also, seeing as Christians are a special order of priests (Rev 1:6) then I also
recommend exercising the kind of sympathy spoken of by Heb 5:2.

In other words; avoid ad hominems and thoughtless remarks about their IQ,
instead, offer your thoughts in a scholarly manner and give them ample
time to think things over before deciding whether to reinvent themselves.
This is a really good opportunity to practice some of that patience Christians
are always talking about.
_

 

[RaceRunner]

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I was sent to an employee-relations class some years ago. They talked quite
a bit about something called core values. Simply put, these are premises,
principles, and precepts that define us, viz: core values are directly related
to our self image so it's no surprise that people take it personal and become
defensive when their opinions about certain things are questioned.

The word "repent" is common in the Bible --it basically means is to change
one's mind, i.e. to think differently about this and that.

Human nature resists repentance because the process requires folks to
reinvent themselves by first invalidating some of their long-held core values
and then adopting new ones in their place. Folks who resist repentance to
the death are sometimes called stiff-necked. (cf. Zech 7:11)

Anyway; point being: there are flat earthers and concave hollow earthers at
large that are in a bit of a pickle. The space age has shot their science to
shreds but they can't give it up without undergoing severe damage to the
way they view themselves, i.e. their self image.

So, when Christians encounter flat earthers and concave hollow earthers, I
highly recommend conducting themselves in accord with the instructions
given at 2Tim 2:24-26.

Also, seeing as Christians are a special order of priests (Rev 1:6) then I also
recommend exercising the kind of sympathy spoken of by Heb 5:2.

In other words; avoid ad hominems and thoughtless remarks about their IQ,
instead, offer your thoughts in a scholarly manner and give them ample
time to think things over before deciding whether to reinvent themselves.
This is a really good opportunity to practice some of that patience Christians
are always talking about.
_

We are the ones converting those who believe the earth is a globe; very soon no one will believe the earth is globular.

 

[oyster67]

As has been explained numerous times, light doesn't travel infinitely. Just because Earth is flat doesn't mean there can't be day or night.

How far away do you believe the Sun is? Perhaps we could use that to determine the max range of sunshine?

 

[oyster67]

We are the ones converting those who believe the earth is a globe; very soon no one will believe the earth is globular.

It does appear that the vast majority of Flertherites reside right here at CC. I am almost persuaded. Keep working at it. The fields are white for harvest. (Flat fields, of course.)

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

If the Sun circles over and around the Earth every 24 hours, steadily travelling from Tropic to Tropic every 6 months, it follows that the Northern, central region would annually receive far more heat and sunlight than the Southern circumferential region. Since the Sun must sweep over the larger Southern region in the same 24 hours it has to pass over the smaller Northern region, its passage must necessarily be proportionally faster as well. This perfectly explains the differences in Arctic/Antarctic temperatures, seasons, length of daylight, plant and animal life; this is why the Antarctic morning dawn and evening twilight are very abrupt compared with the North; and this explains why many midsummer Arctic nights the Sun does not set at all!

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This isn't a complete model. It is disqualified immediately because it is an azimuthal equidistant projection map.
A spherical map projection cannot be the basis for a flat earth model. No surveying has yet been done for a FE map.

Be very embarrassed.

 

[kinda]

If the Earth were truly a globe, the Arctic and Antarctic polar regions and areas of comparable latitude North and South of the equator should share similar conditions and characteristics such as comparable temperatures, seasonal changes, length of daylight, plant and animal life.

In reality, however, the Arctic/Antarctic regions and areas of comparable latitude North/South of the equator differ greatly in many ways entirely inconsistent with the ball model and entirely consistent with the flat model.

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This looks like a propaganda piece, like what the NASA astronomer laughs at, when reviewing the flat earth model. Yes, I know the NASA astronomer has her own misinformation message in some things, but she is for more believable than the bear scat that she is viewing on the pizza earth model. That should be obvious!

Are you interested in any discussion, or is this pizza earth advertisement, not meant to be questioned?

Your extreme difference is animals in the poles? Polar bears and penguins both live in cold climates. Can you go into depth on your conclusion, that "comparable latitude North/South of the equator differ greatly in many ways entirely inconsistent with the ball model and entirely consistent with the flat model"?

What ways? Why are they great? Why are they consistent with pizza earth? Hello? Bueller?

Stating things with out backing it with data is great way to further discredit the flat earth ideology. Considering that the flat earth movement is growing, I should just relax, and watch the train wreck continue?!?! lol It just gives the globalist more reason to want to depopulate the earth. From the look of things, I'm really losing all hope in society. The movie Idiocracy looks like art imitating reality.

I think these will be the official mascots of the flat earth, globe earth, and concave earth. Yes! lol Fits perfect!

 

[oyster67]

Be very embarrassed.

... I always retreat into my shell whenever I see Lucy P striding into town.

 

[Papermonkey]

How far away do you believe the Sun is? Perhaps we could use that to determine the max range of sunshine?

The truth will never reach those dedicated to the myth of flat Earth.
Some don't actually believe it. I think they merely enjoy watching how long rational people will try to reach them.

Trying is folly at best. And feeding negative intent at worse.

For earth to be flat all planets and our moon would have to be flat also. Yet FE's will often excuse why that's not true. And not realize at the same time they're defeating their FE argument. Or, maybe they do.

If someone insists planes can't land on a globe that rotates, and that's why Earth must be flat, I think that is the first clue the argumentum ad nausea for flat Earth is not meant to be taken seriously.

It really is at this point a waste of our time. I say let FE's think Earth is flat.